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May 24 2022 07:51am
Quote (Goomshill @ 24 May 2022 13:47)
https://www.startribune.com/mitt-romney-we-must-prepare-for-putins-worst-weapons/600175852/
Op ed by Mitt Romney weighing in on just this issue of escalation;
At least he can recognize we're backing Russia into a corner where they would use a nuke, even if he dresses it up in the pretenses of being illogical and self-defeating. Even wiser would be recognizing that Putin could be self-interested and rational and still choose to use a nuke because its his best, perhaps only, option.


Absolutely, nuclear strike is a possibility, along with cutting submarine fibercables, triggering terror attacks, assassinating free world leaders, etc etc...

This is why the terror must stop.
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May 24 2022 07:58am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 24 2022 03:51pm)
Absolutely, nuclear strike is a possibility, along with cutting submarine fibercables, triggering terror attacks, assassinating free world leaders, etc etc...

This is why the terror must stop.


spoken like a true npc
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 24 2022 08:51am)
Absolutely, nuclear strike is a possibility, along with cutting submarine fibercables, triggering terror attacks, assassinating free world leaders, etc etc...

This is why the terror must stop.


see you're almost thinking this through. They can use nukes, they can cut fiber cables, sever pipelines, blow up a LNG terminals, etc. Its not just a real possibility, its the logical outcome of the mutual escalations in Ukraine. The next part is where you realize we have to live in a world where that threat of mutually assured destruction exists and can't just "stop" it. We've had a peace between nuclear armed countries for living memory because pragmatic people realized we can't engage in conventional wars without the risk of nuclear escalation. And here we are, trying to engage Russia in a conventional war and risk a nuclear escalation.
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May 24 2022 08:12am
Quote (Goomshill @ 24 May 2022 14:00)
see you're almost thinking this through. They can use nukes, they can cut fiber cables, sever pipelines, blow up a LNG terminals, etc. Its not just a real possibility, its the logical outcome of the mutual escalations in Ukraine. The next part is where you realize we have to live in a world where that threat of mutually assured destruction exists and can't just "stop" it. We've had a peace between nuclear armed countries for living memory because pragmatic people realized we can't engage in conventional wars without the risk of nuclear escalation. And here we are, trying to engage Russia in a conventional war and risk a nuclear escalation.


Not everyone would let Ukraine to be annexed like this, and to let all the war crimes we already had a taste of, to happen on a vast scale... There is no other choice.
And cross fingers that Putin get into sanatorium asap.

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May 24 2022 10:45am
Quote (Goomshill @ 24 May 2022 16:00)
(...)And here we are, trying to engage Russia in a conventional war and risk a nuclear escalation.


Ok so I have an idea, that you would like probably.
This year we gift Ukraine to Russia.
Next year we gift Estonia.
Next year we gift them Poland.
Next year we gift them Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria.
Next year we gift them Alaska.
Next year we gift them Germany.
Next year we gift them Canada.
Then we start giving them US states, two or three yearly.
Etc.
In a generation we all live under Russian occupation, because we were afraid to say "no Mr Putin, you cant have that".
Is this what you want, is this your plan?
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May 24 2022 10:51am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ May 24 2022 02:37am)
you do realise the likes of china or india are way too big as point to get bullied by warmongers?

i thought you were supposed to be a social justice warrior
, but you speak like a power hungry, geopolitics scumbag from wahsington

the people you root for will pull the plug on you and your "rich and prosperous future" in a nanosecond if it makes them 10 bucks

they will walk over your corpse and those of your family without even looking



Uh, you might have me confused with someone else? I'm not sure why you would think I'm a SJW given my post history. Who are the people I root for and why would they "pull the plug on me?"

China and India can definitely be bullied. However, I advocate using a wide variety of tools to get our way. We have diplomatic power, economic power, and military power. We can entice or coerce. War should only be used as a last resort in the general sense.

Quote (ofthevoid @ May 24 2022 05:59am)
Is there a point to make these nonsensical comparison to past wars or is it some lame attempt at a gotcha? I am anti-war, have been for the entirety of my adult life. I haven't supported or rationalized a single US war.

I don't expect the secular world, the secular government, etc to turn the other cheek. That has never happened. I do expect Christians though to at least try and promote pacifism, non-interventionism, not looking to escalate but de-escalate.


No, I wouldn't expect you to support any US wars. That doesn't make you "anti-war" though. You're history demonstrates that you're very pro-war when it comes to Russia. How conveniently Christian of you.
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 24 2022 11:45am)
Ok so I have an idea, that you would like probably.
This year we gift Ukraine to Russia.
Next year we gift Estonia.
Next year we gift them Poland.
Next year we gift them Czech Republic, Hungary, Austria.
Next year we gift them Alaska.
Next year we gift them Germany.
Next year we gift them Canada.
Then we start giving them US states, two or three yearly.
Etc.
In a generation we all live under Russian occupation, because we were afraid to say "no Mr Putin, you cant have that".
Is this what you want, is this your plan?


We took Ukraine from them in 2014. They are taking it back. They are in the same situation you just described. We took the Balkans. We took the buffer states. We took Ukraine, right up to their doorstep. We backed a coup to overthrow a democratically elected government and have the CIA micromanage the new 'government'. And here we are, being told that NATO expansion and aggression being reversed to Status Quo Ante is a slippery slope to Russian domination.
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 24 2022 07:00am)
see you're almost thinking this through. They can use nukes, they can cut fiber cables, sever pipelines, blow up a LNG terminals, etc. Its not just a real possibility, its the logical outcome of the mutual escalations in Ukraine. The next part is where you realize we have to live in a world where that threat of mutually assured destruction exists and can't just "stop" it. We've had a peace between nuclear armed countries for living memory because pragmatic people realized we can't engage in conventional wars without the risk of nuclear escalation. And here we are, trying to engage Russia in a conventional war and risk a nuclear escalation.


Why are you so concerned about nuclear escalation when there are so many more immediate threats and actions they can take? Russia is much more creative than you are when they game out these scenarios. I understand that you want America to back down and let Russia have some dignity, but crying wolf over the very last option doesn't seem to be effective...
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Quote (thundercock @ 25 May 2022 00:51)
Uh, you might have me confused with someone else? I'm not sure why you would think I'm a SJW given my post history. Who are the people I root for and why would they "pull the plug on me?"

China and India can definitely be bullied. However, I advocate using a wide variety of tools to get our way. We have diplomatic power, economic power, and military power. We can entice or coerce. War should only be used as a last resort in the general sense.



No, I wouldn't expect you to support any US wars. That doesn't make you "anti-war" though. You're history demonstrates that you're very pro-war when it comes to Russia. How conveniently Christian of you.


10 to 15 years back they would have kneel.
I want to see how you are going to bully them now.
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Quote (thundercock @ May 24 2022 11:57am)
Why are you so concerned about nuclear escalation when there are so many more immediate threats and actions they can take? Russia is much more creative than you are when they game out these scenarios. I understand that you want America to back down and let Russia have some dignity, but crying wolf over the very last option doesn't seem to be effective...


What is their creative solution when NATO missiles start sinking the fleet both blockading Ukraine and supplying their front lines?
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