The US wanted to landlock Russia by chasing Russian warships out of crimea, station their rockets next to the border and exploit one if the biggest remaining plains for agricultural purposes.
Russia bat an eye on all of those and allowed Ukraine to get investment from the US and EU without intervention. Then maidan happened and liquidating the leese contract with Russis in Crimea was on the table. Russia annexed Crimea without too much bloodshed.
That was the point where peace was still possible. Instead, Ukraine allowed UK and the US build bases there, cut off water supply route to Crimea, repressed Russian speaking population in the easr and started terrorizing them systematically. The tip of the iceberg was writing in the constitution to join NATO.
Russia didn't intervene there for Ukraine being a neutral country until the last moment. They tried to communicate with NATO that Ukraine joining NATO wasn't acceptable 10y long. The US administration ignored them.
Then, Ukrainian population themselves (they aren't stupid people) elected Zelensky to negotiate a piece agreement with Russia. They knew the war was looming. Instead, he reitirated, he was going to enforce the plans of Ukraine joining NATO. Russia made the last warning about Ukraine's neutrality before the invasion, the US ignored again. Russia invaded and took over Ukraine without too much bloodshed. Turkey wanted to mediate a peace agreement about Ukraine's neutrality. After an agreement was reached and Russia pulled away its army Boris Johnson flew there, promised full support in case of war and the war has started... to this day. Johnson has already resigned long ago, Victoria Nuland as well.

All of the support for the counter-offensive was under the condition of retaking Crimea for the US.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 24 2024 01:01pm

Ukraine had the US build bases where?

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-signs-agreement-to-support-enhancement-of-ukrainian-naval-capabilities
https://www.thedailybeast.com/us-military-deploying-to-ukraine/

They were being groomed of becoming NATO soldiers.



Can you link the draft of the peace agreement before the invasion?

This post was edited by babun1024 on Nov 24 2024 01:27pm

That was prior to the war and in no way, shape or form is it admitting it’s a UK owned base. Ukraine is simply leeching UK resources and technology. Nothing more. Nothing less. The same way Russia and China constantly help NK financially and technologically.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=92094408&f=119

You can visit the early days of that thread for more info.

So Russia launched the largest drone strike of the war against Ukraine in retaliation of Western-made missile strikes in Russia which the Ukrainians launched against the Russians in retaliation of the Russian Oreshnik strike.

The Ukrainians are likely going to retaliate this drone strike with further ATACM strikes after which the Russians could retaliate by destroying Ukraine's critical infrastructure or what remains of it.

After which Ukraine will be asking for longer range Western missiles (once again) to retaliate those Russian strikes. Are there still people out there who don't see where this is going?

yes

https://mid.ru/ru/foreign_policy/rso/nato/1790818/?lang=en

The United States of America and the Russian Federation, hereinafter referred to as the "Parties",

guided by the principles contained in the Charter of the United Nations, the 1970 Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Cooperation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations, the 1975 Helsinki Final Act of the Conference on Security and Cooperation in Europe, as well as the provisions of the 1982 Manila Declaration on the Peaceful Settlement of Disputes, the 1999 Charter for European Security, and the 1997 Founding Act on Mutual Relations, Cooperation and Security between the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and the Russian Federation,

recalling the inadmissibility of the threat or use of force in any manner inconsistent with the purposes and principles of the Charter of the United Nations both in their mutual and international relations in general,

supporting the role of the United Nations Security Council that has the primary responsibility for maintaining international peace and security,

recognizing the need for united efforts to effectively respond to modern security challenges and threats in a globalized and interdependent world,

considering the need for strict compliance with the principle of non-interference in the internal affairs, including refraining from supporting organizations, groups or individuals calling for an unconstitutional change of power, as well as from undertaking any actions aimed at changing the political or social system of one of the Contracting Parties,

bearing in mind the need to create additional effective and quick-to-launch cooperation mechanisms or improve the existing ones to settle emerging issues and disputes through a constructive dialogue on the basis of mutual respect for and recognition of each other’s security interests and concerns, as well as to elaborate adequate responses to security challenges and threats,

seeking to avoid any military confrontation and armed conflict between the Parties and realizing that direct military clash between them could result in the use of nuclear weapons that would have far-reaching consequences,

reaffirming that a nuclear war cannot be won and must never be fought, and recognizing the need to make every effort to prevent the risk of outbreak of such war among States that possess nuclear weapons,

reaffirming their commitments under the Agreement between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on Measures to Reduce the Risk of Outbreak of Nuclear War of 30 September 1971, the Agreement between the Government of the United States of America and the Government of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Prevention of Incidents On and Over the High Seas of 25 May 1972, the Agreement between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Establishment of Nuclear Risk Reduction Centers of 15 September 1987, as well as the Agreement between the United States of America and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics on the Prevention of Dangerous Military Activities of 12 June 1989,

have agreed as follows:

Article 1

The Parties shall cooperate on the basis of principles of indivisible, equal and undiminished security and to these ends:

shall not undertake actions nor participate in or support activities that affect the security of the other Party;

shall not implement security measures adopted by each Party individually or in the framework of an international organization, military alliance or coalition that could undermine core security interests of the other Party.

Article 2

The Parties shall seek to ensure that all international organizations, military alliances and coalitions in which at least one of the Parties is taking part adhere to the principles contained in the Charter of the United Nations.

Article 3

The Parties shall not use the territories of other States with a view to preparing or carrying out an armed attack against the other Party or other actions affecting core security interests of the other Party.

Article 4

The United States of America shall undertake to prevent further eastward expansion of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization and deny accession to the Alliance to the States of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The United States of America shall not establish military bases in the territory of the States of the former Union of Soviet Socialist Republics that are not members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, use their infrastructure for any military activities or develop bilateral military cooperation with them.

Article 5

The Parties shall refrain from deploying their armed forces and armaments, including in the framework of international organizations, military alliances or coalitions, in the areas where such deployment could be perceived by the other Party as a threat to its national security, with the exception of such deployment within the national territories of the Parties.

The Parties shall refrain from flying heavy bombers equipped for nuclear or non-nuclear armaments or deploying surface warships of any type, including in the framework of international organizations, military alliances or coalitions, in the areas outside national airspace and national territorial waters respectively, from where they can attack targets in the territory of the other Party.

The Parties shall maintain dialogue and cooperate to improve mechanisms to prevent dangerous military activities on and over the high seas, including agreeing on the maximum approach distance between warships and aircraft.

Article 6

The Parties shall undertake not to deploy ground-launched intermediate-range and shorter-range missiles outside their national territories, as well as in the areas of their national territories, from which such weapons can attack targets in the national territory of the other Party.

Article 7

The Parties shall refrain from deploying nuclear weapons outside their national territories and return such weapons already deployed outside their national territories at the time of the entry into force of the Treaty to their national territories. The Parties shall eliminate all existing infrastructure for deployment of nuclear weapons outside their national territories.

The Parties shall not train military and civilian personnel from non-nuclear countries to use nuclear weapons. The Parties shall not conduct exercises or training for general-purpose forces, that include scenarios involving the use of nuclear weapons.

Article 8

The Treaty shall enter into force from the date of receipt of the last written notification on the completion by the Parties of their domestic procedures necessary for its entry into force.

Done in two originals, each in English and Russian languages, both texts being equally authentic.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 27 2024 06:35am

Western media was telling its audiences what they wanted to hear, instead of what they needed to know.

This post was edited by Malopox on Dec 1 2024 02:15pm

2024 is coming to an end and Ukraine is facing it's third winter in this war.

Did Putin lose yet?