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Dec 20 2021 10:44pm
So here's a couple arguments

1) The vaccines are showing to be less effective/ineffective at stopping the spread of coronavirus, but effective at stopping serious hospitalization/death. This weakens the argument for mandatory vaccinations as a means of stopping the spread and justified by the societal weights of personal choice (ie hospital burden), rather than personal health outcomes. This comes at the same time the Biden administration has pushed forward with vaccine mandates that violate Biden's campaign promise not to do that- even though vaccine mandates would have been more effective a year ago when Biden took office. And if the societal weights of personal choice are the justification for vaccine mandates when stopping the spread isn't, then there's actually a much better argument for taking action against fat and elderly people in specific, since they are the real risk groups and hospital burdens. It makes more sense to make vaccines mandatory for the fat and elderly in specific, not the wider population- or to mandate measures addressed at stemming the obesity epidemic.

2) With vaccines showing to be less effective/ineffective at stopping the spread of coronavirus, and masks are similarly shown to be ineffective at stopping the spread of coronavirus, then masked, vaccinated people should not be free to congregate in public places if the goal is to stop the spread. People shouldn't be allowed into public events at all, vaccines and masks are no excuse. Liberal cities that have vaccine and mask mandates that say life can continue as normal for people obeying their mandates but not for anyone else, are only accomplishing their goal of persecuting people who don't agree with them, but not their pretense of stopping the spread of coronavirus. If these cities and states are serious about stopping the spread, they need to lock down completely, no more nightclubs, no more bars, no more concerts, no more street protests, no more marches. Wearing a chin diaper while packed like sardines into a street doesn't do a damn thing.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 20 2021 11:08pm
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Dec 20 2021 10:51pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 20 2021 08:44pm)
So here's a couple arguments

1) The vaccines are showing to be less effective/ineffective at stopping the spread of coronavirus, but effect at stopping serious hospitalization/death. This weakens the argument for mandatory vaccinations as a means of stopping the spread and justified by the societal weights of personal choice (ie hospital burden), rather than personal health outcomes. This comes at the same time the Biden administration has pushed forward with vaccine mandates that violate Biden's campaign promise not to do that- even though vaccine mandates would have been more effective a year ago when Biden took office. And if the societal weights of personal choice are the justification for vaccine mandates when stopping the spread isn't, then there's actually a much better argument for taking action against fat and elderly people in specific, since they are the real risk groups and hospital burdens. It makes more sense to make vaccines mandatory for the fat and elderly in specific, not the wider population- or to mandate measures addressed at stemming the obesity epidemic.

2) With vaccines showing to be less effective/ineffective at stopping the spread of coronavirus, and masks are similarly shown to be ineffective at stopping the spread of coronavirus, then masked, vaccinated people should not be free to congregate in public places if the goal is to stop the spread. People shouldn't be allowed into public events at all, vaccines and masks are no excuse. Liberal cities that have vaccine and mask mandates that say life can continue as normal for people obeying their mandates but not for anyone else, are only accomplishing their goal of persecuting people who don't agree with them, but not their pretense of stopping the spread of coronavirus. If these cities and states are serious about stopping the spread, they need to lock down completely, no more nightclubs, no more bars, no more concerts, no more street protests, no more marches. Wearing a chin diaper while packed like sardines into a street doesn't do a damn thing.



If a given disease is twice as transmissible but half as lethal it'll be worse on hospital ICUs. That's the power of exponential growth.
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Dec 20 2021 11:04pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 20 2021 06:29pm)
I think it's a pretty simple question, and links about the CDC don't address your personal argument that it's not a vaccine.



"Useless" based off of what metric?


lol do you take a big hit off a crack pipe then tee hee type in stuff? they were links showing how the definition has been changed not "CDC" links

the links show they change the definition because the shitshot totally fails in regards to the original definition and then failed the second definition only leftie chumps fall for such a cheesy tricks congrats and tee heee
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Dec 20 2021 11:06pm
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lol do you take a big hit off a crack pipe then tee hee type in stuff? they were links showing how the definition has been changed not "CDC" links

the links show they change the definition because the shitshot totally fails in regards to the original definition and then failed the second definition only leftie chumps fall for such a cheesy tricks congrats and tee heee


But this doesn't address your initial claim.
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Dec 20 2021 11:07pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 20 2021 09:06pm)
But this doesn't address your initial claim.


lol it exposes you just fine. honk honk
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Dec 20 2021 11:08pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 20 2021 09:07pm)
lol it exposes you just fine. honk honk


I'm very happy to engage with you should you ever feel the desire to explain your initial claim. I'm unsure why you're being so obstinate about this.
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Dec 20 2021 11:19pm
Quote (Handcuffs @ Dec 20 2021 09:08pm)
I'm very happy to engage with you should you ever feel the desire to explain your initial claim. I'm unsure why you're being so obstinate about this.


you where sent 3 links showing the definition of vaccine was changed. so i done my part let ev1 see your clown act.

here is something for everyone else.
The Wayback Machine Reveals the Changing Definition From the Merriam Webster Dictionary
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XSffOoOZVyzI/

here is a bonus. its about leftie clowns honk honking
It's All On Record. The Misinformation is Coming From Them
https://www.bitchute.com/video/chSlwABWSbr3/

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Dec 20 2021 11:20pm
Quote (Sioux @ Dec 20 2021 10:51pm)
If a given disease is twice as transmissible but half as lethal it'll be worse on hospital ICUs. That's the power of exponential growth.


But young, healthy, Trump-loving WASP chuds don't go to hospitals even with the twice as lethal virus, unless they're the landwhale variety.
Most of the arguments around hospital capacity got a giant hole blown through them back over a year and a half ago during the initial outbreak in NYC when the USACE was contracted to build all those field hospitals in anticipation of mass casualties, then wound up decommissioning millions of dollars and tens of thousands of beds worth of field hospitals that served zero patients in many cases, a handful in others. It showed we actually have the resources to break out extra emergency capacity in a crisis that demands it, but this crisis didn't demand it. But now here we are over a year later, with the vaccines, with clear proof that the burden is almost entirely on the fat/elderly/immunocompromised, and Biden elected president after campaigning on a promise not to mandate vaccines, after refusing to mandate them all throughout the stages when it would matter most. And now they're pushing ahead with both very authoritarian measures to mandate the ineffective measures that put the burden on people they disagree with politically, while refusing to take the effective measures that would put the burden on their supporters. If you refuse to get vaccinated you can't even work in NYC, but if you get vaccinated you can go to bars and clubs with thousands of people packed in. And what has been the outcome? NYC has been the case study showing zero difference from other major cities without such restrictions. They're still setting record numbers of new cases during this current wave, surging each day and spike rapidly, this omicron wave is even bigger than the last two waves in NYC.

The longer this drags on the more obvious it gets that these policies are grounded only in political animus, not scientific pragmatism. Masks and Vaccines don't stop the spread. Lockdowns do. They don't have the stomach to lock themselves down, but they'll pillory the anti-vaxxers for their own sins.
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Dec 20 2021 11:23pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Dec 20 2021 09:19pm)
you where sent 3 links showing the definition of vaccine was changed. so i done my part let ev1 see your clown act.

here is something for everyone else.
The Wayback Machine Reveals the Changing Definition From the Merriam Webster Dictionary
https://www.bitchute.com/video/XSffOoOZVyzI/

here is a bonus. its about leftie clowns honk honking
It's All On Record. The Misinformation is Coming From Them
https://www.bitchute.com/video/chSlwABWSbr3/


I wasn't asking about why the definition was changed though. I was asking you what you feel distinguishes a prophylaxis from being "a vaccine" and "not a vaccine" because you stated that the Covid-19 vaccines aren't actually vaccines.

This post was edited by Handcuffs on Dec 20 2021 11:23pm
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Dec 20 2021 11:24pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 20 2021 09:20pm)
But young, healthy, Trump-loving WASP chuds don't go to hospitals even with the twice as lethal virus, unless they're the landwhale variety.
Most of the arguments around hospital capacity got a giant hole blown through them back over a year and a half ago during the initial outbreak in NYC when the USACE was contracted to build all those field hospitals in anticipation of mass casualties, then wound up decommissioning millions of dollars and tens of thousands of beds worth of field hospitals that served zero patients in many cases, a handful in others. It showed we actually have the resources to break out extra emergency capacity in a crisis that demands it, but this crisis didn't demand it. But now here we are over a year later, with the vaccines, with clear proof that the burden is almost entirely on the fat/elderly/immunocompromised, and Biden elected president after campaigning on a promise not to mandate vaccines, after refusing to mandate them all throughout the stages when it would matter most. And now they're pushing ahead with both very authoritarian measures to mandate the ineffective measures that put the burden on people they disagree with politically, while refusing to take the effective measures that would put the burden on their supporters. If you refuse to get vaccinated you can't even work in NYC, but if you get vaccinated you can go to bars and clubs with thousands of people packed in. And what has been the outcome? NYC has been the case study showing zero difference from other major cities without such restrictions. They're still setting record numbers of new cases during this current wave, surging each day and spike rapidly, this omicron wave is even bigger than the last two waves in NYC.

The longer this drags on the more obvious it gets that these policies are grounded only in political animus, not scientific pragmatism. Masks and Vaccines don't stop the spread. Lockdowns do. They don't have the stomach to lock themselves down, but they'll pillory the anti-vaxxers for their own sins.


make a correction where its high lighted. change it to "TDS"
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