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Nov 20 2019 03:08pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 20 2019 02:46pm)
The quid pro quo is all but proven now. the new defense of the right is that since the aid was given before an investigation was done by Ukraine the quid pro quo no longer matters. the new leftist talking point is that "asking someone to murder someone isnt a crime as long as they dont murder them." which is a bad comparison being that quid pro quos in international diplomacy aren't illegal. it's a bit of a run around atm.

the only looming bit of juice left is that the white house official who authorized the aid to Ukraine before the QPQ was carried out hasn't testified, publicly. im sure this will break out into "why wont the dems let them speak" vs "why wont the POTUS let people testify".



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Quote (Landmine @ Nov 20 2019 03:08pm)
Thanks, I still don't see too much that's gonna change the outcome once it hits the Senate.


trump isnt up for murder so that was never on the table.

if he fully admitted to holding aid until they investigated Joe Biden and his son the senate wouldnt vote to remove.

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Nov 20 2019 03:17pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 20 2019 04:08pm)
this is 100% correct.

in 2016 Trump said there was no interference, then that the interference wasnt to help him, then that even if it did help him he had no contact or anything to do with it, and low level people got in trouble but he didn't.

in 2019 Trump said there was no quid pro quo, then that the quid pro quo wasn't carried out but did happen, then that even if it did happen it's not illegal, and low level people will get in trouble but he won't.

the narrative changing with facts and him admitting to bad behavior in hindsight is really comparable.

ty for providing than insight.




There was no interference to help Trump. LOL

The interference was to help Hillary, hence the 33K destroyed emails, the FBI investigation that went nowhere. Then after that failed the Russiagate hoax... then the Kavanaugh hoax, then the Ukraingate hoax.

What's that old saying? Fool me once, fool me twice... now we're on fool be three times.... I'm just glad that I'm NOT one of the ones being fooled. :/
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Nov 20 2019 03:20pm
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 20 2019 03:17pm)
There was no interference to help Trump. LOL

The interference was to help Hillary, hence the 33K destroyed emails, the FBI investigation that went nowhere. Then after that failed the Russiagate hoax... then the Kavanaugh hoax, then the Ukraingate hoax.

What's that old saying? Fool me once, fool me twice... now we're on fool be three times.... I'm just glad that I'm NOT one of the ones being fooled. :/


there was interference to malign hillary, trump, and just about everyone. the clear directive from the Kremlin was to create mass chaos and political instability. but they also stated trump was preferable to hillary and leaned heavier in that direction, as many studies have proven.

but sure, stick with 2016 talking points in the face of a mountain of proof grandpa. you're convincing so many people with your binary simpleton logic.
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Nov 20 2019 03:26pm
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 20 2019 03:17pm)
There was no interference to help Trump. LOL

There was though Ghot. Granted, it was limited to, what was it, $46k in Facebook adds, they hacked into the DNC + the DCCC (democratic congressional campaign committee) + Clinton campaign officials + publicly leaked stolen files & emails via WikiLeaks/Gucifer 2.0, etc.

Did they sway the election ? No
Did they change votes ? No
Did trump collude with them ? No

...did they interfere for Trump ? Yes

Interfering against Hillary, for all intensive purposes is the same as interfering for Trump. Did they do it because they personally knew Trump & were colluding with him? No, however the fact remains that they preferred a Trump POTUS.

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There was though Ghot. Granted, it was limited to, what was it, $46k in Facebook adds, they hacked into the DNC + the DCCC (democratic congressional campaign committee) + Clinton campaign officials + publicly leaked stolen files & emails via WikiLeaks/Gucifer 2.0, etc.

Did they sway the election ? No
Did they change votes ? No
Did trump collude with them ? No

...did they interfere ? Yes


ty. i agree with all of this. its just basic facts at this point.

what grandpa is afraid of is that the bolded = the underlined. shaking in his boots to admit that.
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Nov 20 2019 03:31pm
Quote (Ghot @ Nov 20 2019 04:17pm)
There was no interference to help Trump. LOL

The interference was to help Hillary, hence the 33K destroyed emails, the FBI investigation that went nowhere. Then after that failed the Russiagate hoax... then the Kavanaugh hoax, then the Ukraingate hoax.

What's that old saying? Fool me once, fool me twice... now we're on fool be three times.... I'm just glad that I'm NOT one of the ones being fooled. :/


Hahaha he's blaming Hillary some more.


Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 20 2019 04:20pm)
there was interference to malign hillary, trump, and just about everyone. the clear directive from the Kremlin was to create mass chaos and political instability. but they also stated trump was preferable to hillary and leaned heavier in that direction, as many studies have proven.

but sure, stick with 2016 talking points in the face of a mountain of proof grandpa. you're convincing so many people with your binary simpleton logic.


Of course the Russians wanted a weaker American sovereign.
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Nov 20 2019 04:02pm
Great day today.

Sondland was obviously being directed by the Repubs and he being a dumbass civilian couldn't keep his mouth shut.

Now he changes testimony like 30 times like a god damn yokkel even funnier because what he did seem to remember clearly was specific points that may exonerate trump in his mind. But what a fool this civilian is.

Dems are doing good work. Always great how Schiff gets the last word everyday to remind the people that The Repubs are a joke. Hopefully several of those cunts get arrested too, although that won't happen.

Keep running Trump Humpers, can't wait to find out tomorrows new excuse for why Orange man is innocent.

Embarassed for Nunes, he continually makes a joke of himself on national television. Yikes.

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From this article

Trump wants Ukraine to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who was a board member at Burisma from 2014-2019.

Keks
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