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May 18 2022 03:23pm
there's alot of footage of russian soldiers get pwned by mini drones using grenades. ( reddit/combatfootage)

here's a small video showing how it's encapsulated.



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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/18/finland-sweden-nato-apply/

Turkey makes its first formal step in exercising its veto over Finland / Sweden NATO applications, blocking the starts of accession talks.

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Erdogan left the door open on Wednesday to approving the expansion, but he made clear that he wanted his concerns to be addressed by NATO and by Sweden and Finland.

“We are one of the countries that give the most support to the activities of the alliance, but this does not mean that we will unquestioningly say ‘yes’ to every proposal brought before us,” he told members of his political party in Ankara. “The expansion of NATO is meaningful for us, in proportion to the respect that is shown to our sensitivities.”

He said Turkey had asked Sweden to extradite “30 terrorists” — a reference to members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, which the United States and Turkey have designated a terrorist organization.

“They said, ‘We won’t give them.’ You will not hand over terrorists to us, but you will ask us to get up and join NATO,” he said. “NATO is a security formation, a security organization, so we cannot say ‘yes’ to depriving this security organization of security.”
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/18/finland-sweden-nato-apply/

Turkey makes its first formal step in exercising its veto over Finland / Sweden NATO applications, blocking the starts of accession talks.


The Sultan wants the works. IMO classic ask for as much as possible to start off from a high negotiating position. I think the highlighted he might get when it's all said and done.

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NATO should classify not only the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) but also the Syrian Defense Forces (SDF) and the Fetullah Terrorist Organization (FETO) in the alliance’s list of threats.

The United States should then extradite Pennsylvania-based dissident cleric Fethullah Gülen to Turkey.

All NATO members, including Sweden and Finland, must cease any activity by the PKK, SDF, or FETO on their territories.

The United States and other NATO bodies must lift all sanctions related to Turkey’s purchase of the S-400, including sanctions upon the Turkish Defense Industry Directorate.

Turkey would not only receive the new F-16s and upgrade kits for its existing fleet, but Turkey will also be able to rejoin the F-35 program from which it was expelled after activating the Russian S-400s.

Lastly, the United States would cease preventing Turkey from exporting military products containing Western components.
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May 19 2022 12:17am
Quote (ferdia @ 18 May 2022 22:36)
pull up a post where he claimed this and i will support you, but regardless, the response to someone calling all W people X is not to calll all Y people Z.
if someone said to me that all irish people are nazi's, my response would be, not all irish people are nazi's but for sure some of them are (its a universal problem in various countries).


In my posts I never say "all Russians" because Im aware that 25% Russians resist propaganda and dont really support the war.
Unfortunately when there is war, all people have to suffer economic consequences, because how do it different?
Tell mr Putin: "we give you money, but only give to those that dont support the war"? Do you think he would listen and do it? Of course not.
You are soft my friend, somebody tells you "your country is nazi" and your response is "we are little nazi but not very much"?
The Russian propaganda, in the person of Norlander or others like him, can sell this as a "even Irish admit themselves that they are little nazi so we have a valid reason to attack them"
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 19 2022 07:17am)
In my posts I never say "all Russians" because Im aware that 25% Russians resist propaganda and dont really support the war.
Unfortunately when there is war, all people have to suffer economic consequences, because how do it different?
Tell mr Putin: "we give you money, but only give to those that dont support the war"? Do you think he would listen and do it? Of course not.
You are soft my friend, somebody tells you "your country is nazi" and your response is "we are little nazi but not very much"?
The Russian propaganda, in the person of Norlander or others like him, can sell this as a "even Irish admit themselves that they are little nazi so we have a valid reason to attack them"


To expand my post:

The capacity for evil exists in all of us. Every country no matter how big or small, has people in it that do evil deeds. There is a proverb that I like. it goes: beware the person that says "There is no evil in me" for evil grows within him rampant. To my mind we should always self reflect on ourselves, not blindly stand by our position, or our friends postion, or our countries position, or our continents position, but always to question. Does this cause problems and misunderstandings ? for sure, but I dont see it as being soft, but rather accepting that the view, or narrative, is not always THE ONLY view or narrative or THE RIGHT view or narrative.

to make things very clear: I would work on the assumption that there are nazi's in every country. thats the safest starting point. if you say "X country is the goody and Y country is the baddy" thats a bad starting point, especially in this war. with brevity: Yes some countries are more to blame then others and tying it back, the capacity for evil exists in all of us.

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To expand my post:

The capacity for evil exists in all of us. Every country no matter how big or small, has people in it that do evil deeds. There is a proverb that I like. it goes: beware the person that says "There is no evil in me" for evil grows within him rampant. To my mind we should always self reflect on ourselves, not blindly stand by our position, or our friends postion, or our countries position, or our continents position, but always to question. Does this cause problems and misunderstandings ? for sure, but I dont see it as being soft, but rather accepting that the view, or narrative, is not always THE ONLY view or narrative or THE RIGHT view or narrative.

to make things very clear: I would work on the assumption that there are nazi's in every country. thats the safest starting point. if you say "X country is the goody and Y country is the baddy" thats a bad starting point, especially in this war. with brevity: Yes some countries are more to blame then others and tying it back, the capacity for evil exists in all of us.


I'm going to discuss with the bolded part.
I think totally otherwise, its proper to say some countries are bad ones, this includes Hitler's nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia or Putin's Russia.
Maybe as an Irish you dont have a lot knowledge about continental war history, but I invite you to come to Poland, to see the Auschwitz nazi concentration camp. Dont worry, its the museum, no prisoners now. This place was left as a museum so that people from all over the world can witness what nazi did with their own eyes, and will never support or tolerate such things.
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 19 2022 09:56am)
I'm going to discuss with the bolded part.
I think totally otherwise, its proper to say some countries are bad ones, this includes Hitler's nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia or Putin's Russia.
Maybe as an Irish you dont have a lot knowledge about continental war history, but I invite you to come to Poland, to see the Auschwitz nazi concentration camp. Dont worry, its the museum, no prisoners now. This place was left as a museum so that people from all over the world can witness what nazi did with their own eyes, and will never support or tolerate such things.


one of my grandfathers was in a concentration camp and the other had both of his legs blown off. I have been to poland and auschwitz. if you want to say that countries are evil have at it, but dont be surprised if I or others take issue when you smear an entire country. i will see if i can find some of the israeli stuff, in attempts provide my view to you in another way (as you are not moving your position).

/e here: found it: https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism apply that to all races and all religions and your sorted. (this is also why i never refer to Hitler/WW2/godwins law). emphasis on the last bullet point. i.e. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel is a big no no.

Zionism: refers to the movement to create a Jewish state in the Middle East, roughly corresponding to the historical land of Israel, and thus support for the modern state of Israel. Anti-Zionism opposes that.
Anti-Semitism: hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people.
Xenophobic: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.

You can say: the Government of Israel has questionable morals with regards to Gaza and Palastinians. you can not say: Israel has questionable morals with regards to Gaza and Palestinians. Its safer to be anti-zionist then to be anti-semetic or xenophobic, noting anti-zionist is against an idea whereas anti semitism is against an entire people and xenophobia is against an entire country.

It is simply not safe or ethical to smear an entire race of people with one brush. Yes the expression "Stalin's russia / Putin's russia were bad" is sound, but it is not safe or ethical or moral to say "russia" is bad.

also i am very patient. i accept your view noting you are so close to russia (compared to most other people in this thread). i have read enough books about russia to agree with most of what you are saying re: dislike but its simply not safe to use such broad terms when referring to its inhabitants.

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Quote (Ironfister @ 19 May 2022 16:56)
I'm going to discuss with the bolded part.
I think totally otherwise, its proper to say some countries are bad ones, this includes Hitler's nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia or Putin's Russia.
Maybe as an Irish you dont have a lot knowledge about continental war history, but I invite you to come to Poland, to see the Auschwitz nazi concentration camp. Dont worry, its the museum, no prisoners now. This place was left as a museum so that people from all over the world can witness what nazi did with their own eyes, and will never support or tolerate such things.


That's the most stupid and retarded thing I have ever heard on this thread.
Most of us who might have commented on this thread know a shit ton on continental war history then you do.
My parents went through it for one in Asia.
Perhaps you need to check your completely brainwashed knowledge and go back to the Library.


This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on May 19 2022 03:34am
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 19 2022 11:31am)
That's the most stupid and retarded thing I have ever heard on this thread.



the most stupud thing i read here is americans saying putin is invading countrys all the time while US is not like that.

think its more stupid then that irish dude. my opinion.
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the most stupud thing i read here is americans saying putin is invading countrys all the time while US is not like that.

think its more stupid then that irish dude. my opinion.


You mean that polish dude who made the comment.
Ferdia is the irish dude and he is one of the better if not the best commentator in this thread in my opinion.
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