Quote (Ironfister @ May 19 2022 09:56am)
I'm going to discuss with the bolded part.
I think totally otherwise, its proper to say some countries are bad ones, this includes Hitler's nazi Germany, Stalin's Russia or Putin's Russia.
Maybe as an Irish you dont have a lot knowledge about continental war history, but I invite you to come to Poland, to see the Auschwitz nazi concentration camp. Dont worry, its the museum, no prisoners now. This place was left as a museum so that people from all over the world can witness what nazi did with their own eyes, and will never support or tolerate such things.
one of my grandfathers was in a concentration camp and the other had both of his legs blown off. I have been to poland and auschwitz. if you want to say that countries are evil have at it, but dont be surprised if I or others take issue when you smear an entire country. i will see if i can find some of the israeli stuff, in attempts provide my view to you in another way (as you are not moving your position).
/e here: found it:
https://holocaustremembrance.com/resources/working-definitions-charters/working-definition-antisemitism apply that to all races and all religions and your sorted. (this is also why i never refer to Hitler/WW2/godwins law). emphasis on the last bullet point. i.e. Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel is a big no no.
Zionism: refers to the movement to create a Jewish state in the Middle East, roughly corresponding to the historical land of Israel, and thus support for the modern state of Israel. Anti-Zionism opposes that.
Anti-Semitism: hostility to or prejudice against Jewish people.
Xenophobic: dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.
You can say: the Government of Israel has questionable morals with regards to Gaza and Palastinians. you can not say: Israel has questionable morals with regards to Gaza and Palestinians. Its safer to be anti-zionist then to be anti-semetic or xenophobic, noting anti-zionist is against an idea whereas anti semitism is against an entire people and xenophobia is against an entire country.
It is simply not safe or ethical to smear an entire race of people with one brush. Yes the expression "Stalin's russia / Putin's russia were bad" is sound, but it is not safe or ethical or moral to say "russia" is bad.
also i am very patient. i accept your view noting you are so close to russia (compared to most other people in this thread). i have read enough books about russia to agree with most of what you are saying re: dislike but its simply not safe to use such broad terms when referring to its inhabitants.
This post was edited by ferdia on May 19 2022 03:45am