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May 17 2022 10:12pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 18 May 2022 09:41)
There's still people here who think Russia will "win" this war ? Seriously :lol: ?


Depends on how you perceive as war.
The Russians lost the battle when they invaded but they might not have lost the war.
And depending on what the Russian's end game goal is.
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May 18 2022 12:02am
Quote (HeLiCaL @ 18 May 2022 00:51)
lol all of a sudden Russians are not "lying propagandists" anymore the moment when they start to mirror your narrative


Russians have a strong incentive to parrot the official narrative from the Russian government, and a strong impediment to speaking out against this narrative. Therefore, when the latter happens, it has more credibility than the former.


It's similar to when CNN is running a negative story on Biden - will you go "CNN is a propaganda outlet, it don't trust anything they report, therefore, Biden probably did nothing wrong".... or do you go "if even CNN reports on this, it must be true and so bad that even they can't deny it anymore"? ;)

Same concept here: former Russian generals publicly disagreeing with the official Kremlin line that "the special military operation is going according to plan" is unequivocally a bad sign for Putin.

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May 18 2022 12:16am
Quote (Santara @ 18 May 2022 00:07)
Can your family not leave Russia to visit you?


Not a good idea for Ukraine people to enter Russia territory, considering that Russia keeps kidnapping UA people.
Any meeting is possible only in neutral territory like Turkey.
Which is not a bad idea considering its popular holiday location.
But I wouldnt really imagine how could such meeting happen, if Norlander thinks of Ukrainians as nazi.
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May 18 2022 12:26am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 18 May 2022 03:08)
That's not the case now as instead of pushing very fast to take territory, they are just methodically leading with never ending artillery strikes in the east.

They've been doing that for a whole month and gained almost no territory as a result (while losing territory around Kharkiv and stalling in the south around Mykolaiv and Zaporizhzhia).

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Also, dozens of countries pooling all of their military hardware and sending it to Ukraine also makes it much harder for them to simply roll through.

That might be an excuse for Russia's poor performance, but an excuse doesn't change the bleak outlook.

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Their central bank is actually not really burning through foreign currency as bad as people would think. They have a trade surplus, one that continues to grow (expected to be at record levels this year) as many European companies stopped selling goods to Russia

Time will tell regarding their central bank. The trade surplus is actually not a good sign for the Russian economy. It means that many Western-made products will become more expensive and/or inaccessible once the pre-existing stockpiles run out. Aside from unnecessary "luxury" like Iphones and BMWs, Russia will also struggle to maintain crucial parts of its infrastructure, e.g. it's pipelines, once attrition kicks in and they can't replace worn down high tech components.

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while Europe still spends billions on Russian gas and oil, which means the ruble has increasing demand and that's why the Euros are forced to pay a higher FX rate now (which means more foreign reserves for less rubles going to Russia's central bank).

The ruble is a zombie currency. The liquidity and activity on the ruble market has gone down so much that its exchange rate cannot be taken seriously anymore. And since the Russians continue to accept € and $ for their oil and gas sales, there is no reason for anyone outside of Russia to buy rubles since there is virtually nothing of interest to buy with it. Also note that the current market environment is inflating the oil and gas prices. Once fears of an energy crunch are gone and/or production by OPEC, the U.S. (or even Iran/Venezuela) pick up, prices will come down again. In the intermediate future, Europe will move away from fossils, so good luck to the Russians when they try to ask the same prices that the Euros paid them from China or India...

That Russia's revenues from commodity sales have gone up in spite of lower sales volumes is pretty much the only bright spot for them right now, but like I just said, that's clearly not gonna last.


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Time will tell, I'm following this war on a daily basis and it's hard for me to come to the conclusion the side that is firing hundreds of strikes on a daily basis and is on the offensive is losing.

Saying "they lost the battle for Kyiv and Kharkiv, and there's a neverending stream of weapons toward their enemy while their reserves are dwindling, but they are firing hundreds of strikes on a daily basis and are on the offensive... how can they be losing war"
is about as short-sighted as someone in 1943 saying
"okay, the nazis lost the battle for Moscow and Stalingrad, and there's a neverending stream of weapons toward the Soviets while their reserves are dwindling, but they are launching an offensive and even won the 'Third Battle of Kharkov' [1]... they are on the offensive again and can still win this war".


[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Battle_of_Kharkov

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 18 2022 12:31am
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Quote (TiStuff @ 18 May 2022 00:00)
thanks for the reply.

things of interest? putin was/is part of the world economic forum
the biggest money makers in the world are war, oil, drugs. in that order?
"the conflict" russia/ukraine doesnt look legit. It looks like a scam
biden is connected to ukraine.
trump investigates biden/ukraine
biden put in as presidential candidate.
then trump impeached for investigating ukraine/biden (not permitted/illegal? to investigate opposing candidate)

btw Volodymyr Zelenskyy is just an actor?


Oh, its a very legit war.
Russia is invading eastern Europe since 400years already.
There were only like 10 peaceful years in the 1990s, when the good guys came to power there, who wanted to follow the western world.
Unfortunstely its not easy to reform a country and people in 10 years, there was also a lot of corruption and Russians wanted old, strong leaders back, to rebuild the empire.
So now the new leaders try to enslave the nations that they occupied in the past.
Russia is rich in resources, but very low on people. They need to occupy other nations to have a decent population.
In Belarus they made alliance with Lukashenka, so Belarusians are slowly becoming Russians without war.
For Ukraine it didnt work, so they started war instead.
Not only Russians get people and land, but it also shows as a warning to other nations: "do what we want, or we will call you nazi and launch a war on you, just as we did with Ukraine"

Zelensky was an actor, just as 40th US president Ronald Reagan.
Both actors and presidents appear in TV often, I see some synergy here.

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May 18 2022 02:18am
yea a few more weeks / months will give a better picture one way or the other.
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 17 2022 11:40pm)
Oh, its a very legit war.
Russia is invading eastern Europe since 400years already.
There were only like 10 peaceful years in the 1990s, when the good guys came to power there, who wanted to follow the western world.
Unfortunstely its not easy to reform a country and people in 10 years, there was also a lot of corruption and Russians wanted old, strong leaders back, to rebuild the empire.
So now the new leaders try to enslave the nations that they occupied in the past.
Russia is rich in resources, but very low on people. They need to occupy other nations to have a decent population.
In Belarus they made alliance with Lukashenka, so Belarusians are slowly becoming Russians without war.
For Ukraine it didnt work, so they started war instead.
Not only Russians get people and land, but it also shows as a warning to other nations: "do what we want, or we will call you nazi and launch a war on you, just as we did with Ukraine"

Zelensky was an actor, just as 40th US president Ronald Reagan.
Both actors and presidents appear in TV often, I see some synergy here.


reagan made movies (name is well known because of it) and has a political history. this dudes prancing around in a gimp suit, then bam, president of ukraine in land slide, lol. both him and the bogus dude WEF simps?

why avoid talking about the main concern? all the WEF (world economic forum) connections?

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Quote (TiStuff @ 18 May 2022 11:40)
reagan made movies (name is well known because of it) and has a political history. this dudes prancing around in a gimp suit, then bam, president of ukraine in land slide, lol. both him and the bogus dude WEF simps?

why avoid talking about the main concern? all the WEF (world economic forum) connections?


I dont even understand what you mean.
What does the world economic forum have to do with war?
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Quote (Ironfister @ May 18 2022 02:50am)
I dont even understand what you mean.
What does the world economic forum have to do with war?


things of interest? putin was/is part of the world economic forum

the biggest money makers in the world are war, oil, drugs. in that order?
"the conflict" russia/ukraine doesnt look legit. It looks like a scam
biden is connected to ukraine.
trump investigates biden/ukraine
biden put in as presidential candidate.
then trump impeached for investigating ukraine/biden (not permitted/illegal? to investigate opposing candidate)

btw Volodymyr Zelenskyy is just an actor?
Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy dancing in GAY VIDEO in High Heels - Song - 'In the Middle'
https://www.bitchute.com/video/mrLIpSSNYtGY/

is he (zelensky) also just another global homo WEF shill? i wonder what research would turn up?
biden is also WEF

that puts them all on the same team. Wars make money for the elite
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