Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 9 2021 07:39pm)

The average price per pill in out of pocket costs for a prescription for something like oxycontin ranges from $4-$7. That's irrespective of dosage. The same thing on the street varies by dosage, from $40-120/pill. The same cost for a similar dose of heroin will average closer to $20. Even your basic Vicodin only runs roughly $1/pill, yet street value ranges from $5-20/pill, once again raising your price point to a point where more severe, potent, and damaging drugs become more attractive per dollar spent. The cost different is irrefutable, and your talk of employers is nonsensical. Employers want functionally capable employees. As long as employees are not visibly high, drunk, or stoned at work, then employer doesn't care. For that matter, the percentage of full time employees estimated to be on opioid pain medications today is upwards of 15%, and that's on the low end estimates. Only certain types of labor preclude such usage.

Meth will not destroy society, because most people have no interest in using meth. The path to FIXING societal issues created by meth is to help addicts recover, and provide a low-harm alternative that will offset the damage already done.

We can agree that personal responsibility needs to be taken into account, but your view on drugs is purely arbitrary, and nothing more than you attempting to exercise control over other people that you have no reason to have over them. People do plenty of stupid and self-harmful things. Coffee enemas are a great example. You don't outlaw them, you simply provide safer alternatives that will be less damaging, and allow them to continue to function in society.

Bottom line: People will do what they want and you can't stop them. If you're in favor of throwing them in prison for these things when at heart, the activity has no impact on you, then you're in favor of more and more "Floyd-like incidents".

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 9 2021 01:33pm)

2001 economic recession leading into 2008 housing crisis causes spike in homelessness, crazy stuff

https://media.tenor.com/images/980af2e803a5421c6e55fb4a903b6709/tenor.gif

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 9 2021 12:51pm)

They had 13 years to correct course.

You have to have brain made of shit to think this is deductive reasoning.

Quote (Djunior @ 9 Apr 2021 10:47)

You need to take tolerance into consideration which is huge when it comes to opioids. Everything changes when people keep increasing their dosage, which is what they do. There's a reason these are prescription drugs only.

I say it again if addicts don't bother other people everything will be fine. People complain about addicts for a reason, they aren't concerned about what people do at home let's be honest here.

Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 9 2021 07:55pm)

You aren't understanding what I'm telling you, I think. If a person wants to increase their dosage, they will increase their dosage. By attempting to prevent them from doing so via laws and regulation, all you do is criminalize the methods by which they do so, and push up the price point to cause financial incentive to assault, steal, and murder.

Honestly, if other people would stop bothering addicts and either leave them alone or try to help them, everything will be fine. Addicts aren't trying to make your guilty pleasure of choice illegal, highly expensive, and force you to go to extreme and violent means to get it. It's what you are doing to them. The policies you yourself promote are actively harmful to them, often bankrupt them, and force them into exactly the kind of violent crime you fear.

I suspect you need some time of severe self-reflection to understand just how vile and dangerous your desire to arbitrarily control what other people put in their bodies truly is. And your excuses of "what they do in their own home isn't a concern" is false, by nature, because by attempting to outlaw the supply of what they can do in their own home, or control it so tightly that they have to go to extreme lengths to gain access to it, you're literally forcing them out of their home to do it.

I will repeat the question: Are you willing to state for the record that if the speed balls were perfectly legal, Floyd would have OD'd by trying to swallow them all to prevent the possession charge?

Quote (Surfpunk @ Apr 9 2021 11:02am)

I know your question was to Djunior, but if speed balls were legal, then there would have been no reason for him to swallow them to avoid a possession charge, since a possession charge would no longer be a thing.

Quote (Surfpunk @ Apr 9 2021 01:02pm)

I know your question was to Djunior, but if speed balls were legal, then there would have been no reason for him to swallow them to avoid a possession charge, since a possession charge would no longer be a thing.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 9 2021 02:07pm)

I worked with a dude who did an 8 ball every 2-3 days. I am convinced he didn't sleep for a year straight.

Quote (Skinned @ Apr 9 2021 01:12pm)

Things get weird without sleep.

Like eating dog heartworm medicine in a Walgreens parking lot to get the worms out of your body weird.