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Apr 9 2021 11:11am
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 9 2021 10:08am)
How come democrat run cities are drowning in homeless people. Your "sOcilIAlisT SeaTTLE" should figure that one out.


I just explained it to you... read it again
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Apr 9 2021 11:19am
Quote (thesnipa @ 9 Apr 2021 10:11)
cites, regardless of democrat vs republican are where homeless people are. cities, regardless of state, tend to be democrat. the number of "republican cities" of any size is next to zero.

blaming democrats for homeless people is like being surprised when a river is filled with water instead of it being in a road.

im not saying democrats help the situation, and even do things to hurt the situation, but the whole "democrat run cities cause homelessness" narrative is fucking stupid. try to be a bit more smart idk.


This is factually accurate. 63 of the 100 largest cities in the US are run by Democrats with another 11 run by Independent/Nonpartisan governors. Only 26 of the 100 largest cities in the US are run by Republican governors, and those cities tend to have high homeless rates as well.

Regulation, property taxing, foreign investment and corporate ownership of residential property driving up property costs, and a host of other things directly contribute to homelessness in cities, and it's a universal, bipartisan problem. While addiction and mental illness also contribute, the claim of partisanship is not useful for either side.

Quote (theCrossbones @ 9 Apr 2021 10:11)
I just explained it to you... read it again


He doesn't understand. He's attempting to take a problem far too complex and simplify it beyond anything realistic.
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Apr 9 2021 11:22am
Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 9 2021 07:08pm)
People trust doctors. If you're in pain due to injury or medical condition, or can't function normally due to mental discipline issues, and a doctor recommends a prescription, most people simply assume it's safe. Believe it or not, the majority of the population trusts doctors. When the doctors cut a person off, and they find themselves once again in pain, or horrific withdrawals, or unable to function, what are they supposed to do, exactly?

If you legalize the drugs and make them cheaply available to the adult public, why would anyone continue to rob people to sustain their habit?

I'm absolutely not wrong. Meth addicts aren't going to stop doing meth. The success rates of people attempting to quit meth are 5% for non-rehab and 12% for rehab after 3 years. That means that even under rehab conditions, 88% of addicts fall directly back into the addiction. The worst thing meth does is permanently alter your brain to cause it to stop producing dopamines in any significant quantity. Thus, depression and a simple inability to feel "good" or "happy" are a permanent side effect of it's use. Without replacing it with something to offset this damage, your chances of recovering an addict are almost none. Something like bupropion (think Wellbutrin) has been shown in some studies to help offset this damage and help addicts function and live normally without the drug, but does not provide the "high". The thing to note is that you're replacing one amphetamine with another. Thus, the ability to provide a recreational substitute that provides a similar "high" WITHOUT the longterm physical and neurochemical effects would be absolutely KEY to eliminating this "devil" in the first place. Yet as long as meth itself is illegal, no substitute will ever even be created.

And this is the point. Floyd ONLY swallowed the speedballs BECAUSE of their illegality. He was facing a felony possession charge that caused him to make a lethal choice, rather than face more years in prison. Had there been no illegality involved in the speedballs, he'd have not swallowed them, and there's a very VERY good chance he'd be alive today, charged with a minor misdemeanor over a fake $20 that would have likely been dismissed in court outright.


Legal drugs cost money too unless you hand them out for free. People that are high all day long are not productive, no employer wants them. Explain how you envision society to function when people can get cheap or even free drugs as they please.

If meth becomes legal society will be fucked, that's the only possible outcome, and Floyd could have prevented being arrested while in possession of speedballs by well, not being in possession of illegal speedballs.

It's not rocket science to see that people are doing these things to themselves.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 9 2021 12:19pm)
This is factually accurate. 63 of the 100 largest cities in the US are run by Democrats with another 11 run by Independent/Nonpartisan governors. Only 26 of the 100 largest cities in the US are run by Republican governors, and those cities tend to have high homeless rates as well.

Regulation, property taxing, foreign investment and corporate ownership of residential property driving up property costs, and a host of other things directly contribute to homelessness in cities, and it's a universal, bipartisan problem. While addiction and mental illness also contribute, the claim of partisanship is not useful for either side.



He doesn't understand. He's attempting to take a problem far too complex and simplify it beyond anything realistic.


and even "run by governors" isnt a great way to look at it. i wonder how many of the top 100 US cities have a predominately GOP voting base, and by proxy a GOP government making city wide decisions. as most of the criticisms of homeless legislation is city ordinance related, i.e. LA refusing to ticket open defecators, or shut down homeless camps in Seattle.
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Apr 9 2021 11:28am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 9 2021 01:11pm)
cites, regardless of democrat vs republican are where homeless people are. cities, regardless of state, tend to be democrat. the number of "republican cities" of any size is next to zero.

blaming democrats for homeless people is like being surprised when a river is filled with water instead of it being in a road.

im not saying democrats help the situation, and even do things to hurt the situation, but the whole "democrat run cities cause homelessness" narrative is fucking stupid. try to be a bit more smart idk.


Homelessness grew tenfold after Giuliani in New York. Its a literal perfect correlation.
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Apr 9 2021 11:30am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 9 2021 07:11pm)
cites, regardless of democrat vs republican are where homeless people are. cities, regardless of state, tend to be democrat. the number of "republican cities" of any size is next to zero.

blaming democrats for homeless people is like being surprised when a river is filled with water instead of it being in a road.

im not saying democrats help the situation, and even do things to hurt the situation, but the whole "democrat run cities cause homelessness" narrative is fucking stupid. try to be a bit more smart idk.


Bold part, I guess you're saying it's not very smart to allow people to have drugs like heroin or meth in their possession which is the case in certain cities, crossbones can confirm this is the case.
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Apr 9 2021 11:33am
Quote (Djunior @ Apr 9 2021 10:30am)
Bold part, I guess you're saying it's not very smart to allow people to have drugs like heroin or meth in their possession which is the case in certain cities, crossbones can confirm this is the case.


LOL bro just stop
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 9 2021 12:28pm)
Homelessness grew tenfold after Giuliani in New York. Its a literal perfect correlation.


2001 economic recession leading into 2008 housing crisis causes spike in homelessness, crazy stuff



Quote (Djunior @ Apr 9 2021 12:30pm)
Bold part, I guess you're saying it's not very smart to allow people to have drugs like heroin or meth in their possession which is the case in certain cities, crossbones can confirm this is the case.


close ur ears tight enough to feel safe lil fella.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 9 2021 11:34am
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Apr 9 2021 07:33pm)
LOL bro just stop


Need proof?

Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 9 2021 07:33pm)

close ur ears tight enough to feel safe lil fella.


Give them more drugs I bet the problem will go away lol

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 9 2021 11:39am
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Quote (Djunior @ 9 Apr 2021 10:22)
Legal drugs cost money too unless you hand them out for free. People that are high all day long are not productive, no employer wants them. Explain how you envision society to function when people can get cheap or even free drugs as they please.

If meth becomes legal society will be fucked, that's the only possible outcome, and Floyd could have prevented being arrested while in possession of speedballs by well, not being in possession of illegal speedballs.

It's not rocket science to see that people are doing these things to themselves.


The average price per pill in out of pocket costs (aka if you have no insurance) for a prescription for something like oxycontin ranges from $4-$7. That's irrespective of dosage. The same thing on the street varies by dosage, from $40-120/pill. The same cost for a similar dose of heroin will average closer to $20. Even your basic Vicodin only runs roughly $1/pill, yet street value ranges from $5-20/pill, once again raising your price point to a point where more severe, potent, and damaging drugs become more attractive per dollar spent. The cost different is irrefutable, and your talk of employers is nonsensical. Employers want functionally capable employees. As long as employees are not visibly high, drunk, or stoned at work, then employer doesn't care. For that matter, the percentage of full time employees estimated to be on opioid pain medications today is upwards of 15%, and that's on the low end estimates. Only certain types of labor preclude such usage.

Meth will not destroy society, because most people have no interest in using meth. The path to FIXING societal issues created by meth is to help addicts recover, and provide a low-harm alternative that will offset the damage already done.

We can agree that personal responsibility needs to be taken into account, but your view on drugs is purely arbitrary, and nothing more than you attempting to exercise control over other people that you have no reason to have over them. People do plenty of stupid and self-harmful things. Coffee enemas are a great example. You don't outlaw them, you simply provide safer alternatives that will be less damaging, and allow them to continue to function in society.

Bottom line: People will do what they want and you can't stop them. If you're in favor of throwing them in prison for these things when at heart, the activity has no impact on you, then you're in favor of more and more "Floyd-like incidents".

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 9 2021 11:43am
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