I haven't identified as a "conservative" in years. I'm fiscally conservative(going by my definition of reducing the deficit) and socially conservative. I'm a right-leaning moderate who can look at history and realize a Democrat executive governs the country better.

Well, if you said to me Warren or Biden would actually have the power to implement their agenda in a significant way, I might have a stronger preference. But the reality is that whichever gets elected, they almost certainly won't control the Senate, and even if they did, it would be one or two major pieces of legislation at best before they got destroyed in 2022. Change moves slowly in our system. And I consider Trump such a disaster for this country that any sane person elected would make me happy. If it's a 50% chance for both Biden and Warren, I'm favoring Biden. But if it's 50% Warren and 40% Biden, I'm going Warren.

Plus, a Warren presidency would provoke a reaction from the Republican party that pushed it more towards fiscal conservatism. Trump campaigned on not cutting entitlements... that won't be possible after a few years of a Warren presidency.

U.S. Democrats go on attack against Warren on healthcare, taxes at debate

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-debate/u-s-democrats-go-on-attack-against-warren-on-healthcare-taxes-at-debate-idUSKBN1WU1AK





Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar to Endorse Bernie Sanders

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/15/us/politics/aoc-endorses-bernie-sanders.html



...and that's how you knock Sanders out of the race.





The Dems help Trump 2020 every time they open their mouths.

the kiss of death


honestly, if sanders croaks in the next 24 hours I'm accusing AOC of murder

This post was edited by Goomshill on Oct 15 2019 09:46pm

I really dont get why these two """shooting stars""" of the far left are wasting their political capital on a campaign which is already dead.

Coz they're idjets.

Democrats don't need to pick up a single Republican voter to sweep 2020. Hillary lost because of low voter turnout. The next candidate won't. All that needs to happen is for more Dems to vote. Republicans are completely irrelevant when Dems turn out. No one should ever capitulate to the center or the right. Never. Destroy them because they are dust.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Oct 15 2019 10:57pm

turnout from trump sceptical but republican leaning constituencies was also low in 2016. more votes went to Gary Johnson than to Jill Stein. yes, the Dems dont need a single republican vote in 2020. but they need to win over independents, and they need their own turnout to increase without the turnout on the other side going up simultaneously.

with polarizing and/or far-left policies, they risk doing just that: pushing trump-sceptical conservatives who would love to break with him back into his camp, scare away independents and swing voters, and rile up the republican base to potentially have even higher turnout than in 2016.

Florida is a cautionary tale in that regard: skyhigh turnout from old white people keeping the state under republican control despite the state's massive and ever increasing diversity. Florida Democrats have been telling themselves that "demographics is destiny" and "if everyone from our coalition goes to vote, we can crush the Republicans with ease" for 2 decades. Over these 2 decades, no Democrat not named 'Obama' has won a significant statewide race in Florida, despite their coalition being clearly bigger.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 15 2019 11:09pm

If they don't go far left they will lose. Independents do NOT want some status quo Klobuchar shitfuck.

This is why we will get Trump again in 2020. The Dems will run a status quo establishment liberal democrat.

And I'm cool with it. I like Russia being in control of the Donbas and being the Kurd's primary patron. I've been saying so for literally more than a decade now. Fuck the United States. Trump is helping the global left ruin the United States. I'm all for it.

In the words of Oderus Urungus, America must be destroyed. Trump guarantees it. Any Democrat simply delays the inevitable end of this shithole nation.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Oct 15 2019 11:35pm

Why would the Dems need to go far left to win?

I'm of the opposite opinion. If the go far left, they will lose. A candidate like Klobuchar would handily defeat Trump. Trump himself is more than enough to drive Democratic turnout, their own candidate isnt needed for that. What their own candidate needs to do is to win over those voters who are on the fence, and to not drive Republicans to the polls.

In this sense, 2016 was the worst of all worlds for Democrats: a candidate who was the boogieman for Republicans, yet so uninspiring that she depressed turnout from her own coalition; all while Democratic voters either didnt take Trump seriously or thought he wouldnt be so bad in case he won.

Klobuchar would not suffer from 3 of these 4 factors in 2020.

1. Because the nation is far left

2. You're really fucking stupid and out of touch

3. Duh. Clinton is a Republican with a smelly vagina. The left said as much already.