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Dec 17 2021 02:15am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 17 2021 02:13am)
Sorry to say this, and I don't mean it as a personal attack, but your stance on this issue is really autistic. It's blatantly obvious that the term CRT is being used as a shorthand for both the actual academic framework in the strict sense AND also for the broader CRT-adjacent ideology and political agenda. The Ibram X. Kendi platform and such.

While the former is obviously not being taught in elementary or middle school classes, the latter is already seeping into curriculums all over the place.
It is neither feasible nor reasonable to try to divorce political theories from the actual political movements and policies they spawn.


Sure, I'm fine with that, but CRT as described by the GOP is nowhere near seeping into our schools. People like Bogie are making stupid ass claims like "CRT teaches kids to hate white kids".

CRT that's being taught in schools is super mild and basically amounts to acknowledging racism is still in our system, which it is, there is no reasonable debate on that topic.

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Sure, I'm fine with that, but CRT as described by the GOP is nowhere near seeping into our schools. People like Bogie are making stupid ass claims like "CRT teaches kids to hate white kids".


It teaches kids that white kids are invariably benefitting from a racist system that is rigged at every level to favor them over black and brown kids, and that every white person, kid or adult, who is not explicitly "anti-racist" (as defined by the proponents of CRT) is complicit in "systemic racism".

So no, it doesn't overtly tell kids to hate their white peers, but it tells them that white kids who don't bow down to this worldview are, effectively, just one tiny step removed from being Klansmen.

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It teaches kids that white kids are invariably benefitting from a racist system that is rigged at every level to favor them over black and brown kids, and that every white person, kid or adult, who is not explicitly "anti-racist" (as defined by the proponents of CRT) is complicit in "systemic racism".

So no, it doesn't overtly tell kids to hate their white peers, but it tells them that white kids who don't bow down to their worldview are, effectively, just one tiny step removed from being Klansmen.


That's bullshit lol. You added the value judgement of "they're close to klansmen".

A white person who doesn't want to root out the racism still present in the system is complicit. That's a perfectly accurate description. Why did you add the klansmen thing? Because that's super cringe, and really shows a desparation to introduce emotional language.


Dude, you're mostly reasonable, but you fall for that kind of emotionally charged language without a second thought. What is actually up with that? Do you just shut your brain off when culture war bullshit pops up?

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That's bullshit lol. You added the value judgement of "they're close to klansmen".

A white person who doesn't want to root out the racism still present in the system is complicit. That's a perfectly accurate description. Why did you add the klansmen thing? Because that's super cringe, and really shows a desparation to introduce emotional language.


Dude, you're mostly reasonable, but you fall for that kind of emotionally charged language without a second thought. What is actually up with that? Do you just shut your brain off when culture war bullshit pops up?


The bolded part is the key point of contention: conservatives simply disagree with the notion that unequal outcomes are sufficient proof for discrimination or racism.

My line with the klansmen was clearly intended as tongue-in-cheek hyperbole. Come on, man!

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The bolded part is the key point of contention: conservatives simply disagree with the notion that unequal outcomes are sufficient proof for discrimination or racism.

My line with the klansmen was clearly intended as tongue-in-cheek hyperbole. Come on, man!


See, thats where we just have to accept reality. It is still racist. We can draw direct lines from racist policies to the ones that still exist. Its not "different outcomes" its literal straight lines across history. The whole reason we have zip code based funding still is because of this. It was made to separate minority kids from funding by whites.
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See, thats where we just have to accept reality. It is still racist. We can draw direct lines from racist policies to the ones that still exist. Its not "different outcomes" its literal straight lines across history. The whole reason we have zip code based funding still is because of this. It was made to separate minority kids from funding by whites.


Zip code based funding also hurts poor white regions and cuts them off from funding by affluent-but-diverse urban and suburban areas. Imho, America's current system is predominantly set up to reduce social mobility and entrench class divides, which happens to correlate strongly with race.
Also, almost across the country, we always find a huge disparity in educational outcomes between black and brown children on the one side and children of east asian descent on the other, no matter which school district we look at. Even in deprived, heavily non-white places, Asians outperform their peers (white or non-white) by a substantial margin. So much so that certain woke politicians in NYC/LA/etc. implement explicitly discriminatory policies against them to mask or eliminate this inconvenient fact.




Regarding the inequality which exists as an echo of racist policies of the past, like redlining: the question is how to address this. Ibram X. Kendi and like-minded proponents of CRT are unapologetic in their idea of how to fix it:
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"The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination."


This is of course a highly toxic approach since it would discriminate against poor whites as well as white immigrants who only arrived in the U.S. since, say, the 90s.
My approach therefore would be to implement colorblind policies which help all poor and working-class people irrespective of their race - the overrepresentation of non-whites in these categories means that such policies would automatically have a disproportionate effect on black and brown people and close racial inequality.

I also believe this approach to be better politics. Just compare the primary performance of "labor Bernie" in 2016 with that of "woke Bernie" in 2020: the first time around, he was able to mount a very strong and durable challenge to a candidate which had the overwhelming support of the party elites and the media since the start of the campaign. During his second run, he got a headstart against a highly fractured field, but was quickly blown out of the water anyway as soon as the party establishment coalesced around a single candidate.

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Dec 17 2021 08:35am
double jabbed people refusing the third, fourth etc shots will be the new antivaxxers soon

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Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 17 2021 01:15am)
Sure, I'm fine with that, but CRT as described by the GOP is nowhere near seeping into our schools. People like Bogie are making stupid ass claims like "CRT teaches kids to hate white kids".

CRT that's being taught in schools is super mild and basically amounts to acknowledging racism is still in our system, which it is, there is no reasonable debate on that topic.



Wrong. You’re racist. Teaching kids one race oppresses the others and excusing failures is not only NOT education, it’s unethical. You have kids graduating with a 3.5 that thinks they identify as a unicorn and that all whites are bigots. I thought you were better than this. Just another race pimp hiding his racism through deflection. I’m mot racist see I support whites people bad! Man, get fucked, you’re actually stupid. Quote whatever drivel you want. You’re clearly on the spectrum.
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