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Apr 29 2020 08:55am
Quote (ThatAlex @ 27 Apr 2020 Previous Thread)
There's more evidence now and coroboration for this sexual assault accusation than the one against Brett Kavanaugh (albeit one accusation was inappropriate touching vs rape, and this is for different jobs, SCOTUS vs POTUS).

Will Democrats apply the same standard here? Doubt it. I also don't care what Trump has been accused of in the past.

Also funny how CNN and other major news outlets sat on this story for weeks/months when the Democratic race was still an open one. They played themselves.

Edit: Also, a great thread title. I forcibly exhaled air through both nostrils.



Quote (IceMage @ 27 Apr 2020 Previous Thread)
I understand it's technically correct but is anyone else uncomfortable with calling what Joe Biden allegedly did rape? It seems a little misleading, based on the commonly understood idea of rape.

What do you mean when you say you don't care what Trump has been accused of?

The different standards between accusations against right-wing figures vs left-wing figures are of course a legitimate media criticism, but I'm not sure holding off on airing accusations until there's sufficient enough evidence is bad practice. Media outlets should be cautious when airing these claims.


No, I don't think what Joe Biden is accused of is rape. I was stating the distinctions between the Kavanaugh case (accused rape, SCOTUS seat) and Biden case (accused inappropriate touching, POTUS).

I care what Trump has been accused of, but not in the context of Biden's accusation.

If Right-wing figures are held to different standards by their constituents, politicians, and pundits, so be it. I'm playing the long-game and am down to lose in the short term and suffer for it.

There seems to be some legitimacy to this Biden accusation. There's now more corroboration and evidence for it than the Kavanaugh case. I wonder if Dems will hold the same standard (they will not).
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Apr 29 2020 08:59am
Quote (ThatAlex @ Apr 29 2020 07:55am)
No, I don't think what Joe Biden is accused of is rape. I was stating the distinctions between the Kavanaugh case (accused rape, SCOTUS seat) and Biden case (accused inappropriate touching, POTUS).

I care what Trump has been accused of, but not in the context of Biden's accusation.

If Right-wing figures are held to different standards by their constituents, politicians, and pundits, so be it. I'm playing the long-game and am down to lose in the short term and suffer for it.

There seems to be some legitimacy to this Biden accusation. There's now more corroboration and evidence for it than the Kavanaugh case. I wonder if Dems will hold the same standard (they will not).


I think the D will allow Charles Manson to come back from the dead and vote for him..
the max level hatred is aimed at trump
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Apr 29 2020 10:28am
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/rubycramer/joe-biden-tara-reade-talking-points-campaign-defense
https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/29/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-new-york-times/index.html

Biden continues to remain silent and hasn't said a word, despite numerous interviews and even a Women's issues town hall with Hillary Clinton- compliant journalists refusing to ask him any questions
However, his campaign has now issued written talking points to direct their response;

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“Biden believes that all women have the right to be heard and to have their claims thoroughly reviewed,” the talking points read, according to a copy sent to two Democratic operatives. “In this case, a thorough review by the New York Times has led to the truth: this incident did not happen.”

“Here’s the bottom line,” they read. “Vice President Joe Biden has spent over 40 years in public life: 36 years in the Senate; 7 Senate campaigns, 2 previous presidential runs, two vice presidential campaigns, and 8 years in the White House. There has never been a complaint, allegation, hint or rumor of any impropriety or inappropriate conduct like this regarding him — ever.”


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It's also not accurate. Because The New York Times' piece that Abrams referenced with Lemon on Tuesday night -- and which the Biden campaign talking points lean heavily on -- does not, in fact, find that Reade's accusation is either "not credible" (Abrams' words) or that "this incident did not happen" (Biden talking points).


The New York Times story very plainly did not say that the incident did not happen- it drew no conclusions- and was also written without the benefit of the latest round of evidence. It was the same widely panned NYT article that was edited by Joe Biden's own campaign when they removed lines saying they found 'no pattern of misconduct except the pattern of misconduct of years of inappropriately touching women and making them uncomfortable in public'. The same article we were ridiculing just a few days ago.
So Biden has made no response and his campaign's official response is to blatantly lie.


The wider media seems to be extremely chaotic in its response right now. The story went from full suppression mode like it was for the first month, to now being reported on by major outlets, with some liberal celebrities and politicos railing against Biden and others actually openly supporting him and calling Reade a liar, with some outlets (Fox) giving it prime time coverage and others (NPR, NBC, etc) just posting token articles and burying it. There are progressive websites posting articles calling on Joe to resign and conservative websites calling out media and political hypocrisy. Its definitely no longer in the fully buried state, but enough major media is trying to help Joe get a free pass by staying silent.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Apr 29 2020 10:32am
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Apr 29 2020 10:58am
Quote (Giannis @ Apr 28 2020 04:34pm)
-- Reade has changed her story, more often than just "The woman stayed silent for a long time and now she's finally coming forward."
-- Kavanaugh clearly lied when defending himself.
-- There was at least one other accuser for Kavanaugh.
-- Reade seems to lie a fair amount about other subjects.

By way of contrast, Biden has already ADMITTED to (or at least apologized for) the kinds of acts for which there are multiple accusers.


the "other accuser" you're thinking of was a woman claiming to have attended mass drug rape parties where Kavanaugh and many other men doped whole groups of women to mass rape them. she was represented by Michael Avenatti, aka Stormi Daniel's on again off again lawyer, who then dropped her as a client when it became clear her story was 100% made up. she named other women who were also mass raped, all of which said it came from no where and that it didn't happen.


as to the "Kavanaugh clearly lied" part im curious what you think was a clear lie? not disagreeing perhaps, just curious.
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Apr 29 2020 11:09am
https://twitter.com/JonEasley/status/1255509557255852032

New York Times responds to Biden;

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"Buzzfeed reported on the existence of talking points being circulated by the Biden campaign that inaccurately suggest a New York Times investigation found that Tara Reade’s allegation 'did not happen.' Our investigation made no conclusion either way. As Buzzfeed correctly reported, our story found three former Senate aides whom Reade said she complained to contemporaneously, all of whom either did not remember the incident or said that it did not happen. The story also included former interns who remembered Reade suddenly changing roles and no longer overseeing them, which took place during the same time period that Reade said she was abruptly reassigned. The Times also spoke to a friend who said Reade told her the details of the allegation at the time; another friend and Reade’s brother say she told them of a traumatic sexual incident involving Biden."
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Apr 29 2020 06:32pm
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/womens-groups-unreleased-letter-urging-biden-address-tara-reade-claims
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden.html

multiple women's groups have joined together to write a letter, still in draft and not released;

“Vice President Biden has the opportunity, right now, to model how to take serious allegations seriously,” the draft letter said. “The weight of our expectations matches the magnitude of the office he seeks.”
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Apr 29 2020 06:54pm
sex scandal is always a good tool ulitlised by politics and religious and media mediums to pull strings and cause drama cause apparently everyone loves a good drama

nn recycle more of this nonsense
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Apr 29 2020 07:16pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 30 2020 03:09am)


I am not sure why they think the people she said she complained to denying it is any kind of trump card for biden..
If she was indeed ignored and reassigned over this they were complicit.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 29 2020 07:32pm)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/womens-groups-unreleased-letter-urging-biden-address-tara-reade-claims
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden.html

multiple women's groups have joined together to write a letter, still in draft and not released;

“Vice President Biden has the opportunity, right now, to model how to take serious allegations seriously,” the draft letter said. “The weight of our expectations matches the magnitude of the office he seeks.”


If only the right held their leaders to a high standard

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 29 2020 08:09pm
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Apr 29 2020 08:36pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Apr 29 2020 08:32pm)
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/womens-groups-unreleased-letter-urging-biden-address-tara-reade-claims
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/29/us/politics/tara-reade-joe-biden.html

multiple women's groups have joined together to write a letter, still in draft and not released;

“Vice President Biden has the opportunity, right now, to model how to take serious allegations seriously,” the draft letter said. “The weight of our expectations matches the magnitude of the office he seeks.”



It’d be a mistake to respond imo. Like what is he going to say? Both options will raise hell. Best he can hope for is enough time passes and msm ignores it long enough that it fades out of the news cycle.
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