Sure. As I said, getting the very fishy behavior of the Bidens in the burisma case/Ukraine investigated is a totally legitimate objective. Using brutal and unfriendly coercion to force this investigation is not.

And if the testimonies are confirmed that Trump specifically asked the Ukrainian president to announce this investigation on TV in return for the military aid, then that's a clearly corrupt motive.* This would make it clear that Trump didnt want the Burisma case investigated on its own merits, he only wanted the advantageous PR that comes with it. It would be a strong indication for Trump's motivation when pushing the investigation: selfish instead of altruistic.



*is it 'motive' or 'motif' in this context?

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 13 2019 12:46pm

I feel bad for the stenographer lmfao

The shittiest part is how high the bar is to prove something we all know in our hearts.

Well, I think it is a good thing to have the bar set very high for a step as drastic as impeachment.

I think everyone would feel more at ease if they actually went through the proper channels. If the State Department and DOJ cast a wide net and Hunter Biden just happened to be in that net, we wouldn't even be talking about this. The focus on Biden though AND going through Giuliani just makes this so unbelievable.

Wow, Himes just completely shit on the GOP talking points.

This post was edited by thundercock on Nov 13 2019 12:51pm

Problem is, those departments are full of people with all sorts of political allegiances. Didnt Goom say that the whistleblower, this Ciamarella guy, is a long-term Biden associate?

Going through the proper channels would presumably not have gone anywhere. Too many people who were either involved in shady dealings in Ukraine themselves, or allies with those who were.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Nov 13 2019 12:55pm

Impeachment wasn't the bar i was referencing. getting 50% of the country to even entertain the idea that their guy is a lifetime corrupt person is the bar i meant. look at the media on this topic, the right wing media and politicians are acting like we need to have everything on 3 video feeds just to entertain the idea that Trump shook down Ukraine. all of us know he did it.

Then too bad? We have procedures for a reason.

Also, WTF is wrong with that guy's eye behind Sewell???

Mr. Turner is an idiot straight up

Why do these republifags keep trying to belittle these very intelligant and respectful human beings.

That's completely ridiculous. If the bureaucracy can't be trusted to conduct itself in an impartial manner, we need them thrown out and replaced.