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Oct 10 2019 05:14am
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Hey guys, I know you won like 1/3rd of your landmass in a war with Mexico, and actively interfere with other countries governments to open new markets, and destabilize governments that aren't set up the same way yours is, but you don't have an imperialist bone in your body.
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Oct 10 2019 05:15am
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Ya know what cracks me up? In a topic about the Kurds in Syria... the US pulls out and is called stupid and untrustworthy by the same people that have been just accusing the US of involving themselves too much in other's problems.

Can you geniuses, make up your mind. :lol:


As usual you have the reading comprehension of a tardigrade.

The problem is not the what, namely pulling troops out of Syria. The problem is the how, as in suddenly, without regard for Kurdish welfare or the advice from the Pentagon, and with only a Twitter threat to keep Erdogan at bay.
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Oct 10 2019 05:21am
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Ya know what cracks me up? In a topic about the Kurds in Syria... the US pulls out and is called stupid and untrustworthy by the same people that have been just accusing the US of involving themselves too much in other's problems.

Can you geniuses, make up your mind. :lol:


is your memory already that bad that you forgot how we arrived there, despite having witnessed it first hand in just the last hour? the criticism is that you withdraw after having messed up yet another conflict without doing the bare minimum to find a workable political solution for what is a concrete military threat facing your only true allies in the whole region.
that is perfectly consistent with claiming it would have been better had you not gotten involved in the first place. your world can't possibly be that simple, i mean somehow you managed to breathe in AND out for so long that you're still somewhat alive (although a lack of oxygen might be a reasonabe explanation for the majority of your posts come to think of it) - make up your mind...
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Oct 10 2019 05:22am
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As usual you have the reading comprehension of a tardigrade.

The problem is not the what, namely pulling troops out of Syria. The problem is the how, as in suddenly, without regard for Kurdish welfare or the advice from the Pentagon, and with only a Twitter threat to keep Erdogan at bay.



No. The problem is that the EU thinks the US works for them. We don't. There's nothing stopping any EU country from rushing in and taking up the slack. Have at it.

/e THEN you can start tossing the blame around. Until that time... you're just so much noise. ^^

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No. The problem is that the EU thinks the US works for them. We don't. There's nothing stopping any EU country from rushing in and taking up the slack. Have at it.


it's actually the other way around. you destabilise whole regions to secure their natural resources, and leave us to deal with the political and economic consequences of your warmongering, cowardly hiding behind closed borders. even worse, then you have the audacity to tell us to spend more on military (preferably buy your weapons) to deal with the conflicts that you created in the first place. if anything, you should be paying us.

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it's actually the other way around. you destabilise whole regions to secure their natural resources, and leave us to deal with the political and economic consequences of your warmongering, cowardly hiding behind closed borders. even worse, then you have the audacity to tell us to spend more on military (preferably buy your weapons) to deal with the conflicts that you created in the first place. if anything, you should be paying us.



Funny....you, blaming the US for destabilizing countries. I guess if you only cherry pick things from history, you can feel good about yourself?
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this sentence alone perfectly illustrates how clueless you are, and how out of context you look at the situation. those 'few dozen troops' sure are not in a position to hold back a massive turkish offensive, but you'd be a fool to assume that this offensive would have been started if those 'few dozen troops' were announced to remain at the side of their only reliable ally in that region until a political solution for the kurdish question was found, which turkey (with some resistance for sure) and syria would have agreed to - something that trump and his cult unsurprisingly don't seem to understand.

it's always revealing what kind of simplistic reasoning you people have to resort to in order to defend your cult leader's decisions.


Yes, avoid the facts, avoid the points, avoid admitting your lies, and focus on broadly insulting me based on a hypothetical scenario related to an entirely reasonable single sentence I wrote to someone else.
Very representative of the type of aggressively anti-intellectual loser that you are.


Could continued US presence of a few dozen troops in the area have dissuaded Turkey from acting? Sure. indefinitely? idk.
My post didn't presume to know one way or the other. I simply said that the US should not be expected to defend the Kurds from NATO allies. That is an eminently reasonable statement.

Meanwhile you brazenly proclaim to know what each actor would have done in the region and dream a peaceful solution would have come about.
It was previously reported they would attack regardless and have indicated their plans to attack for several months now, but i'm sure you know with 100% certainty they would never attack despite you not having access to pertinent information or future telling capabilities.

In your world US troops should just stay in the middle east indefinitely until everyone is holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
Great plan.

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it's actually the other way around. you destabilise whole regions to secure their natural resources, and leave us to deal with the political and economic consequences of your warmongering, cowardly hiding behind closed borders. even worse, then you have the audacity to tell us to spend more on military (preferably buy your weapons) to deal with the conflicts that you created in the first place. if anything, you should be paying us.


Descendant of Nazis wants Americans to pay him reparations for war.
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Funny....you, blaming the US for destabilizing countries. I guess if you only cherry pick things from history, you can feel good about yourself?


Please stick up in the last 50 years. Start with iran in 1953.
Your country has no problem is causing trouble in ME because it's 8000km away, it consolidate far right Israel position, and it weaken Europe which is not really an ally for you.

End of story i hope the worst for your kind.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Oct 10 2019 05:37am
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Yes, avoid the facts, avoid the points, avoid admitting your lies, and focus on broadly insulting me based on a hypothetical scenario related to an entirely reasonable single sentence I wrote to someone else.
Very representative of the type of aggressively anti-intellectual loser that you are.


Could continued US presence of a few dozen troops in the area have dissuaded Turkey from acting? Sure. indefinitely? idk.
My post didn't presume to know one way or the other. I simply said that the US should not be expected to defend the Kurds from NATO allies. That is an eminently reasonable statement.

Meanwhile you brazenly proclaim to know what each actor would have done in the region and dream a peaceful solution would have come about.
It was previously reported they would attack regardless and have indicated their plans to attack for several months now, but i'm sure you know with 100% certainty they would never attack despite you not having access to pertinent information or future telling capabilities.

In your world US troops should just stay in the middle east indefinitely until everyone is holding hands and singing Kumbaya.
Great plan.



Descendant of Nazis wants Americans to pay him reparations for war.


There is the argument that NATO is only a defensive pact, and thus the US isn't obligated to stay out of conflict if the Kurdish militias don't wage war on Turkey.

On the other hand, in practice NATO has been more than a purely defensive pact. Yet at the same time Turkey has been far from a reliable ally in global politics in the first place. The entire situation isn't onesided.

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Please stick up in the last 50 years. Start with iran in 1953.
Your country has no problem is causing trouble in ME because it's 8000km away, it consolidate far right Israel position, and it weaken Europe which is not really an ally for you.

End of story i hope the worst for your kind.




Anything the US does in the world is merely cleaning up, or trying to clean up the crap left behind by Europe.

We can keep going back in 50-100 year increments till before the US existed. THEN who ya gonna blame?
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