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Oct 9 2019 09:51am
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria-security-turkey-usa/turkey-launches-push-into-syria-people-flee-as-air-raids-artillery-hit-border-town-idUSKBN1WO05Z

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AKCAKALE, Turkey (Reuters) - Turkey launched a military operation against Kurdish fighters in northeast Syria on Wednesday just days after U.S. troops pulled back from the area, with air strikes and artillery hitting YPG militia positions around the border town of Ras al Ain.

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan, announcing the start of the action, said the aim was to eliminate what he called a “terror corridor” on Turkey’s southern border.

Turkey had been poised to enter northeast Syria since U.S. troops, who have been fighting with Kurdish-led forces against Islamic State, started to leave in an abrupt policy shift by U.S. President Donald Trump. The withdrawal was criticized in Washington as a betrayal of America’s Kurdish allies.

A Turkish security source told Reuters the military operation into Syria had begun with air strikes.

Turkish howitzers also started hitting bases and ammunition depots of the Kurdish YPG militia. The artillery strikes, which also targeted YPG gun and sniper positions, were aimed at sites far from residential areas, the source said.

A Reuters cameraman in the Turkish town of Akcakale saw several explosions across the border in the Syrian town of Tel Abyad, where a witness reported people fleeing en masse.

Large explosions also rocked Ras al Ain, just across the border across from the Turkish town of Ceylanpinar, a CNN Turk reporter said. The sound of planes could he heard above and smoke was rising from buildings in Ras al Ain, he said.

World powers fear the action could open a new chapter in Syria’s eight-year-old war and worsen regional turmoil. Ankara has said it intends to create a “safe zone” in order to return millions of refugees to Syrian soil.

Erdogan earlier told Russia’s President Vladimir Putin in a phone call that the operation would help peace and stability in Syria.

In the build-up to the expected offensive, Syria had said it was determined to confront any Turkish aggression by all legitimate means. It was also ready to embrace “prodigal sons”, it said, in an apparent reference to the Syrian Kurdish authorities who hold the northeast.

Turkey views Kurdish YPG fighters in northeast Syria as terrorists because of their ties to militants waging an insurgency inside Turkey. An influx of non-Kurdish Syrians would help it secure a buffer against its main security threat.

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Amid deepening humanitarian concerns, U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres has urged all parties in northeast Syria to exercise maximum restraint and protect civilians.

Germany said Turkey’s action would lead to further instability and could strengthen Islamic State, while European Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker called on Ankara to halt the military operation.

Juncker said that the bloc would not fund Ankara’s plans in the region. “If the plan involves the creation of a so-called safe zone, don’t expect the EU to pay for any of it,” he told the EU parliament.
“SHOW RESISTANCE”

Kurdish-led forces have denounced the U.S. policy shift as a “stab in the back”. Trump denied he had abandoned the forces, the most capable U.S. partners in fighting Islamic State in Syria.

The Kurdish-led authority in northern Syria declared a state of “general mobilization” before the looming attack.

“We call on all our institutions, and our people in all their components, to head towards the border region with Turkey to fulfill their moral duty and show resistance in these sensitive, historic moments,” it said in a statement.

Erdogan’s communications director Fahrettin Altun said Turkey had no ambition in northeastern Syria except to neutralize the threat against Turkish citizens and to liberate the local people from what he called “the yoke of armed thugs”.

Turkey was taking over leadership of the fight against Islamic State in Syria, he said. YPG fighters could either defect or Ankara would have to “stop them from disrupting our counter-Islamic State efforts”, he wrote in a tweet and in a column in the Washington Post.

Turkey’s Demiroren news agency said Syrian rebels had traveled from northwest Syria to Turkey in preparation for the incursion. They will be based in Ceylanpinar, with 14,000 of them gradually joining the offensive.

“Strike them with an iron fist, make them taste the hell of your fires,” the National Army, the main Turkey-backed rebel force, told its fighters in a statement.
RUSSIA CALLS FOR DIALOGUE

Russia, Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s strongest foreign ally, urged dialogue between Damascus and Syria’s Kurds on solving issues in northeast Syria including border security.

“We will do our best to support the start of such substantive talks,” Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov told reporters during a visit to Kazakhstan.

Another Assad ally, Iran, urged Turkey to show restraint and avoid military action in northern Syria, although it said Turkey was “rightfully worried” about its southern border.

On Monday, Erdogan said U.S. troops started to pull back after a call he had with Trump, adding that talks between Turkish and U.S. officials on the matter would go on.

Trump’s decision to pull back troops has rattled allies, including France and Britain, two of Washington’s main partners in the U.S.-led coalition fighting Islamic State.


Well well well, who would have expected that. Now, is Trump gonna bite or is he just all bark?
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Oct 9 2019 09:55am
Completely ignorant of the history of this region, can i get a brief timeline?
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Oct 9 2019 09:55am
Trump Intervenes: "Look how he's acting against one of Russia's allies. What Russian support? ha ha!"

Trump Doesn't: "Aren't you glad we don't have Hillary, she would interfere and bring us into WW3 with Russia"
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Oct 9 2019 10:01am
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Completely ignorant of the history of this region, can i get a brief timeline?


From when onwards? The region has been in turmoil for a long time. The Kurds were primarily shafted due to the treaty of Sèvres, which oversaw the disbanding of the Ottoman Empire.

Lately it was the Arab Spring that ignited a lot of conflict in the region. The soft power struggle between Iran and Saudi Arabia doesn't help, similarly the conflict between Israel and literally every nation in their surroundings. So now that ISIS has been mostly defeated, Trump has retreated from the area, Turkey has started to act against the now militarized Kurds (whose weapons were primarily funded by US/Western forces as they fought against ISIS). But Turkey does not like the Kurds and regards them as terrorists, with movements like PKK committing terrorist attacks in support of a Kurdish nation. Turkey doesn't want to give up land, so they prefer to suppress the Kurds violently.
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Oct 9 2019 10:08am
Quote (duffman316 @ Oct 9 2019 10:55am)
Completely ignorant of the history of this region, can i get a brief timeline?


Kurds worship crosses, errbody else worship crescants. errbody hate kurds, especially isis. enemy of enemy is frand. so not errbody hate isis now.
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Oct 9 2019 10:13am
Trump towers in Turkey as well. Hmm?

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Oct 9 2019 10:15am
Just to inb4 the inevitable...

Criticizing Trump's execution of this move(he appears to have done it completely spur of the moment, without coordinating with allies, or his own government, just like last time), does not necessarily mean you oppose withdrawing all US troops from Syria.

Carry on.

This post was edited by IceMage on Oct 9 2019 10:15am
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Oct 9 2019 10:25am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 9 2019 11:15am)
Just to inb4 the inevitable...

Criticizing Trump's execution of this move(he appears to have done it completely spur of the moment, without coordinating with allies, or his own government, just like last time), does not necessarily mean you oppose withdrawing all US troops from Syria.

Carry on.


the simple fact that he not only didn't coordinate with the state or defense depts but also went against their advice it bad bad bad. "i know more than the generals" type mentality on display here.

the whole "i'm going to pull out, but dont mess with the Kurds and don't let any ISIS fighter go" thing is like leaving the room with a birthday cake on the table with a dog sitting staring at it, then getting mad when the dog eats it.
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Oct 9 2019 10:27am
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 9 2019 11:15am)
Just to inb4 the inevitable...

Criticizing Trump's execution of this move(he appears to have done it completely spur of the moment, without coordinating with allies, or his own government, just like last time), does not necessarily mean you oppose withdrawing all US troops from Syria.

Carry on.


Hanging the Kurds out to dry is some BS though, from a "don't fuck over your friends who have helped you" perspective. That perspective fucks with my overarching "we need to get the fuck out of the Middle East" POV, though.
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Oct 9 2019 10:46am
France seizes the UN security council but i rather we test the new nuclear missiles on Erdogan's army. Without US.
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