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May 13 2022 08:47am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 13 May 2022 17:42)
Failure photos from 19 years old one that were massively exploited by russian regime & associated propaganda up to the present day. It was in 2014-2015...
Ukraine trained its army for 8 years, Nazis have been largely marginalized. This also follows wikipedia regarding Azov batallion.
Far right exists but did not win any election.
Thanks to napoleon & pan-slavism... Ukrainians nationalists are a real problem for Russians invaders and their lackeys.

butt nazziiiss !!

Far right pro-russians exist in the same way: not sure Russia tried to fix them like Ukraine did !


The most odious are in jail.

If they are fighting each other then it's the perfect way to get rid of both.

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The most odious are in jail. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HQgfRkINnU


Sorry i can't watch all now, just watched a bit and this came in my mind:
- like in anywhere else, many rural, poor and lost guys
- putin & fsb "fascinated" by the power of the far right narrative. (=much potential that could be exploited)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Society
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 13 May 2022 17:57)
Sorry i can't watch all now, just watched a bit and this came in my mind:
- like in anywhere else, many rural, poor and lost guys
- putin & fsb "fascinated" by the power of the far right narrative. (=much potential that could be exploited)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_Society


Yes, you are on the way. When I was young I was a member of RNE https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_National_Unity ), far right organization, though legal (just like Right Sector in Ukraine, but 30 years ago). It took time for me to realize whos is the puppet master behind this, to realize how utterly wrong I was. Some people just can't grow up and they stay forever under the influence of white supremacism. Some act as antifa. They both are wrong. There's no racial war going on.

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May 13 2022 10:20am
i blinked, what did i miss ?
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May 13 2022 10:33am
Turkey flexing, probably wants some sort of carrot from the west for not blocking Finland admission. I long felt that Turkey didn't really belong in NATO. I could certainly see them going their own way if NATO doesn't appease at some point in the future.

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President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said it is not possible for NATO-member Turkey to support Sweden and Finland joining the transatlantic military alliance in the wake of Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, signalling a possible blockade to their anticipated ascension bids.

Speaking to reporters in Istanbul on Friday, Erdogan said Ankara did not have “positive views” on the Scandinavian countries’ expected moves to seek membership, accusing them of being “guesthouses for terrorist organisations”.


https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/13/erdogan-says-turkey-opposed-to-finland-sweden-nato-membership

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Turkey flexing, probably wants some sort of carrot from the west for not blocking Finland admission. I long felt that Turkey didn't really belong in NATO. I could certainly see them going their own way if NATO doesn't appease.



https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/13/erdogan-says-turkey-opposed-to-finland-sweden-nato-membership


its a bit rich of him to say this but well, i wonder if any other of the Nato members are also objecting?
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May 13 2022 10:39am
Quote (ferdia @ 13 May 2022 19:20)
i blinked, what did i miss ?


Don't blink

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its a bit rich of him to say this but well, i wonder if any other of the Nato members are also objecting?


Most will fall in line and accept it, I think they get accepted but Turkey is very much self-centered and recognizes it's very important status to the west as being part of NATO. They have a very large army and are strategically located. I found this interesting info on Turkish disposition on Nato:

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While there have not been polls on support for NATO since the invasion began, in recent years Turkey has consistently ranked as having the lowest support for NATO among member states.

In January 2022, Metropoll polling agency released an interesting finding. When asked the question, "In its foreign policy, should Turkey give priority to Russia and China or to the US and the EU?” 39.4% opted for the Russia and China options, while 37.5% said the EU and the US. And recent statements by various figures seem to indicate sentiments are not changing.

Indeed, 2019 PEW research reveals that the Turkish public has the lowest favorable ratings of NATO among member states, with only 21% of those polled stating a positive view of the alliance. In the same year, non-NATO member countries such as Ukraine and Sweden held 53% and 63% favorable ratings of the organization, respectively.

There is only one non-NATO country, Russia, where the public holds a less favorable rating of NATO than Turkey, with 16%.


https://www.al-monitor.com/originals/2022/03/turkish-public-support-nato-declines

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May 13 2022 10:44am
According to Ukraine:

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Article 5 and formal admission or not, Turkey would not go to war to fight for Finland. But they'd also be willing to withhold a veto if the greater EU throws them a bone
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