Quote (Landmine @ 5 Dec 2020 18:29)

lol wat?



Icemage continues to live in a dream world.

Quote (excellence @ Dec 5 2020 06:15pm)

icepeon pretends he (and people like him) weren’t the ones exhibiting this behavior from 2015-present day. then again that user supports politicians who were in the kkk and modern-day confederates; so it’s not a surprise

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 5 2020 06:26pm)

My conclusion is that Hillary didn't ruin anyone's life.

You're saying it's childish of me to call for some Trump cultists to drop the hatred and anti-Americanism? Lolwat? If these people hate many of their fellow Americans and support politicians trying to steal elections, there's no way for others to find common ground with them. If you're offended by that fact... I don't know what to tell you.

Quote (bogie160 @ Dec 5 2020 09:28pm)

It's childish to demand unity without compromise. There are many people in your own party who are blatantly un-American. Does the Democratic party compromise with them or shut them out?

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"We're all victims. Everybody here. All these thousands of people here tonight. They're all victims. Every one of you." -- Trump

Quote (IceMage @ Dec 6 2020 09:46am)

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1335401627050795008



Today's conservative movement.

Quote (IceMage @ 6 Dec 2020 15:07)

I don't think I've done that. You're trying to hint that in my calls for unity, I'm asking Trump supporters to change their policy positions or something. What I've done is ask them to abandon the hatred and anti-Americanism, because if they don't, I'm not sure how they can be part of a more unified country.

So, what are you actually saying? That we must accept as valid their hatred of fellow Americans and anti-American ideas, like stealing an election they lost? Are responsible citizens supposed to meet them halfway on those issues?

I'm not a Democrat, but sure, there's those in the party that are hateful and anti-American. I'm not asking Trump supporters to view those opinions as valid. I don't view leftist historical revisionism(like the 1619 project) in the same bucket as acceptance of a president trying to steal an election. To me, they're on different planets. One is acceptable discourse, the other is completely unacceptable discourse/action.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 6 2020 10:09am)

Fine, you're not asking conservatives to swear allegiance to Bernie and AOC. But what you are doing is, effectively, asking them to conform to the viewpoints of corporate Democrats. You're not satisfied with Trump being voted out of office while downballot Republicans are doing just fine - you want conservative voters to atone for the sin of having supported Trump by voting straight ticket Dem, and by exiling everyone who "enabled" Trump. You want the only relevant party representing conservatism in the U.S. to be destroyed, effectively handing liberalism full control, just so the republic can be purged from everything Trump. Effectively, you would prefer conservatism to be fully defeated over putting up with a post-Trump Republican party in which some of Trumps ideas survive.

I can understand it when someone comes to the conclusion that preventing another Trump term was more important than conservative policy priorities, and that Biden therefore was preferable to Trump in the 2020 election. But you go further than that, you are willing to sacrifice any conservative goals and principles just so you can get the rigorous De-Trumpification that you desire oh so much.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ Dec 6 2020 12:09pm)

Fine, you're not asking conservatives to swear allegiance to Bernie and AOC. But what you are doing is, effectively, asking them to conform to the viewpoints of corporate Democrats. You're not satisfied with Trump being voted out of office while downballot Republicans are doing just fine - you want conservative voters to atone for the sin of having supported Trump by voting straight ticket Dem, and by exiling everyone who "enabled" Trump. You want the only relevant party representing conservatism in the U.S. to be destroyed, effectively handing liberalism full control, just so the republic can be purged from everything Trump. Effectively, you would prefer conservatism to be fully defeated over putting up with a post-Trump Republican party in which some of Trumps ideas survive.

I can understand it when someone comes to the conclusion that preventing another Trump term was more important than conservative policy priorities, and that Biden therefore was preferable over Trump in the 2020 election. But you go further than that, you are willing to sacrifice any conservative goals and principles just so you can get the rigorous De-Trumpification that you desire oh so much.

Quote (IceMage @ 6 Dec 2020 18:37)

This is truly a silly discussion. Now we're conflating my political preferences with my calls for more unity in the country? They are separate issues. You guys keep making shit up.