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Apr 9 2021 09:20am
Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 9 2021 11:18am)
If UBI isnt implemented the rich will move to space colonies and leave the rabble behind.

your crux is you're always trying to save mankind's soul, im trying to preserve mankind's existence.

automation is going to create a permeant peasant class, and you're focused on whether they're married and have kids. not whether they have food, a house, or clothes.

welfare is nothing compared to what will be needed, and you're a fool concerned with traditional family values.

me and my kind will burn the world you know small man, we will leave only ashes. sweep them up with a broom or suck them up with a vacuum, it makes no difference to me. cry your tears into them and paint the sludge on for warpaint, because you and your ilk will be fighting for a forgotten yesterday until you are taken by natural selection. too stubborn to persist. generation after generation your children will shun your moral code one by one, like farmers of yesteryear losing children to the big city. until one day you, or your son, or your grandson, will be the last of your line. the last to fall to the future.


Your tower of babel will slaughter you.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 9 2021 10:20am)
Your tower of babel will slaughter you.


as a human man yes, it will. but me or my descendants will take the brain implants and you'll be stuck with an even larger IQ gap than you have now. then you'll just be phased out.
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Quote (Djunior @ Apr 9 2021 08:06am)
Prescription drugs are intended to be beneficial and shouldn't be abused for the sake of chasing a high, I think we can agree on that.

In the case of illegal drugs, if drug addicts wouldn't rob other people after their habit has spun out of control, few people would complain I imagine. The problem is drug abuse and all the problems associated with it. Take meth for example, it's all bad news, period

My point is that being lenient on for example meth users is going to accomplish nothing, they'll want to keep chasing that high, destroying themselves and others in the process.



When I take a look at footage coming out of downtown Seattle something tells me that lenient lefty policies are an even bigger failure


You talk about Seattle a LOT.. You play that documentary nightly?
1. Yes the core downtown law enforcement is a JOKE, and needs to be implemented. This is a city council issue and needs to be solved.
2. The outside parts are still BOOMING.
You know what created that massive homeless boom?
Unchecked capitalism. I try but I cannot even describe to you the amount of Amazon/Microsoft/Google infrastructure that was built over the last 10 years there.
Every small business in downtown is GONE. Its cookie cutter tech company madness. They pay shit for taxes to the city, they fucked up and let them do all this and now Boeing/Amazon/Google/Microsoft/Starbuck all want massive tax breaks "or we will leave"
There is the root of your "Lefty policies" SEA did not have this big of homeless problem prior to this.
Look at all the approved developments STILL goin on in SEA. Click the link every blue dot is an approved development.
https://web8.seattle.gov/sdci/shapingseattle/buildings
Please explain how that's a communist/socialist city.
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Apr 9 2021 09:34am
Quote (Djunior @ 9 Apr 2021 08:06)
Prescription drugs are intended to be beneficial and shouldn't be abused for the sake of chasing a high, I think we can agree on that.

In the case of illegal drugs, if drug addicts wouldn't rob other people after their habit has spun out of control, few people would complain I imagine. The problem is drug abuse and all the problems associated with it. Take meth for example, it's all bad news, period

My point is that being lenient on for example meth users is going to accomplish nothing, they'll want to keep chasing that high, destroying themselves and others in the process.


What "should or shouldn't be" is completely irrelevant, and in the case of many opioids as well as "mood changers" it's not even that simple. Painkiller addictions are both a physical and neurochemical addiction. People die from withdrawal from these drugs. Likewise, many of the "mood altering drugs" are forms of amphetamines, that chemically change the way your brain works. If you think you weren't normal before, stop utilizing said drugs, and you're definitely not going to be normal now.

Likewise, with many of the painkillers specifically, a lot of the time (especially with the younger crowd) not enough are provided. If you cannot gain it legally, go for it illegally. And let's face it, a dose of heroin is cheaper on the street than a dose of Oxycontin. It's not as simple as people attempting to get "high"

But since you want to address people getting "high" why shouldn't they? As long as it's in their own home, who is anyone else to judge? Further, the tendency to assault and steal and kill over drugs is almost entirely price-point based. If the drugs are legal and obtainable, without a criminal stigma, there comes a point where the "crime" element virtually vanishes.

Pot, for instance, has almost no violent crime remaining in it's purchase, sale, or use in states which have legalized it. Now the "issue" boils down to underaged people attempting to get it, and that's a struggle in regards to everything, especially as "legal ages" continue to rise, even as people attempt to make "legal voting age" younger than ever.

Lenience on Meth users will accomplish a lot, if the drug is legalized outright for recreational use. At that point, you can open them up to alternatives that are not going to cost them an arm and a leg, and are not going to be nearly as destructive to their bodies. It would also incentivize drug manufacturers to produce smokable alternatives that are as least harmful as possible while producing the most similar effects, with the lowest possible price point in bulk, as drug manufacturers absolutely do not want their customers dying, and love profits.

The subjective morality of the Drug War is far more of a danger than the drugs themselves. "My nightcap, or mood altering amphetamine, or boner pill, or legal painkiller, or [insert drug here] is just fine! It's those damned meth users that're the problem!" Really? Seem about the same, to me. The primary difference is that the poor drug user who can't afford the $400 a month in doctors visits to get their prescriptions end up priced out of the market fall back on the dirtiest and most dangerous drugs, and pay 20 times more per dose for what they're using than the stick up the ass "my shit don't stink" crowd.

Are you willing to state for the record that if the speed balls were perfectly legal, Floyd would have OD'd by trying to swallow them all to prevent the possession charge?

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The Controlled Substances act was signed into law by Richard Nixon, who declared drugs "Public Enemy Number One". This was in 1971.

The "Drug War" is not a "Raegan Era" issue. It's an "Every President since Nixon" issue. With every president through W. Bush (both R and D) further adding to the list of illegal drugs, controlled (prescription) drugs, and harsher sentencing. The Obama era removal of the "5 grams 5 years" mandatory minimum from Crack and Meth was the first notable "lightening" of the war on drugs. Further degradation of mandatory sentencing under the Trump administration for more minimal class drugs has helped reduce some of the criminalization issue. So far, Biden hasn't really addressed the issue, though his reduction of border security has had absolute impact on trafficking.

Overall, we agree that the "War on Drugs" is patently insane and is a massive failure. Merely pointing out that it's not a "Raegan era" thing. But, the point remains that if drug possession was not a felony at certain levels, Floyd would have been unlikely to attempt to swallow his stash, leading to fatal levels in his blood stream. Had he avoided the Excited Delirium, and a fake $20 were his only charge? It's a misdemeanor in nearly all cases, and proof of intent is absolutely required. Not after the fact, but prior to spending the cash. And spending a fake $20 is not where the felonies come in, it's the production of such, and the knowing distribution of large amounts of false currency.


Maybe he meant the Just Say No policies that exacerbated the problems exponentially. Between that and the administration selling cocaine to fund contras after Congress cut the purse strings at the expense of the poor communities of the US, Reagan made a bad situation much worse.

He played a nice guy on television though. He was an actor and a sociologist and he was able to manipulate Americans like puddy.

Later in the presidency he can't be blamed too much...Nancy and her psychic were running things after the Alzheimers kicked in...he was driving a race cars for his last year in office lol.
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https://www.huffpost.com/entry/george-floyd-died-asphyxia-expert-trial_n_606f16b2c5b6865cd29a09aa

Prosecution expert laying blame for GF death directly on asphyxia.
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Quote (Santara @ Apr 9 2021 11:46am)
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/george-floyd-died-asphyxia-expert-trial_n_606f16b2c5b6865cd29a09aa

Prosecution expert laying blame for GF death directly on asphyxia.


It is obvious. You can see the moment of death on camera. There really isn't controversy here. The usually liars are doing their thing to protect the usual suspects. Nothing new. They are deepthroating the boot.

But they will keep trying to gaslight, tell you what you seen wasn't real.

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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 9 2021 11:21am)
as a human man yes, it will. but me or my descendants will take the brain implants and you'll be stuck with an even larger IQ gap than you have now. then you'll just be phased out.


We'll both be fine.

But history is littered with corpses whose last words were "this time will be different."
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Maybe he meant the Just Say No policies that exacerbated the problems exponentially. Between that and the administration selling cocaine to fund contras after Congress cut the purse strings at the expense of the poor communities of the US, Reagan made a bad situation much worse.

He played a nice guy on television though. He was an actor and a sociologist and he was able to manipulate Americans like puddy.

Later in the presidency he can't be blamed too much...Nancy and her psychic were running things after the Alzheimers kicked in...he was driving a race cars for his last year in office lol.


I'm uncertain what you mean. If you're referring to the DARE program, which I think you are, that was founded by Daryl Gates of the LAPD. The national endorsement of the program by the Raegan administration was pushed, IIRC, by Nancy, and has been primarily hailed as a good thing as far as keeping children away from controlled substances.

I think in many ways if the DARE program can be critisized for anything it's the utter stigmatization of drugs and their users, that pushed many who grew up being taught the DARE education in schools to believe drugs were evil. It's not that the program was "bad". It was useful and effective in reducing underage drug usage. It's more the stigma it left behind to those educated in it.
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Quote (InsaneBobb @ Apr 9 2021 10:55am)
I'm uncertain what you mean. If you're referring to the DARE program, which I think you are, that was founded by Daryl Gates of the LAPD. The national endorsement of the program by the Raegan administration was pushed, IIRC, by Nancy, and has been primarily hailed as a good thing as far as keeping children away from controlled substances.

I think in many ways if the DARE program can be critisized for anything it's the utter stigmatization of drugs and their users, that pushed many who grew up being taught the DARE education in schools to believe drugs were evil. It's not that the program was "bad". It was useful and effective in reducing underage drug usage. It's more the stigma it left behind to those educated in it.


I'll have to do some looking but I heard that dare actually made drug use higher among kids who took the program.

Nancy had the just say no Campaign which I believe was separate from the Dare program

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