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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 Sep 2020 23:37)
... says the man who's currently in an uneasy alliance with AOC, Ilhan Omar, the bernie bros, the purple haired pangender creatures, the "yes we literally mean abolish the police" crowd, the tankies and the rampant cancel culture warriors who, by now, even want to erase Thomas Jefferson [1].



[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/09/01/dc-building-school-renaming/

icepeon is a pale pasty privileged left who cheered on the disgusting wars of establishment aggression. he is an anti-American useless piece of scum
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Sep 3 2020 09:42pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Sep 3 2020 10:37pm)
... says the man who's currently in an uneasy alliance with AOC, Ilhan Omar, the bernie bros, the purple haired pangender creatures, the "yes we literally mean abolish the police" crowd, the tankies and the rampant cancel culture warriors who, by now, even want to erase Thomas Jefferson [1].
[1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2020/09/01/dc-building-school-renaming/


If he's in an uneasy aliance with those people then Trump is in an uneasy aliance with any number of questionable actors who want to "erase" any number of people.

You're using exceptionally loose lines to draw these conclusions and I know for a fact you don't like it when they are applied that loosely in the opposite direction.
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Sep 3 2020 09:47pm
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If he's in an uneasy aliance with those people then Trump is in an uneasy aliance with any number of questionable actors who want to "erase" any number of people.

You're using exceptionally loose lines to draw these conclusions and I know for a fact you don't like it when they are applied that loosely in the opposite direction.


I listed some obvious counterexamples of nutters who are just as tightly or loosely associated with the left as this guy is associated with the right by virtue of being Rittenhouse's lawyer.
When Ice introduces loose lines to arrive at a demonstrably false conclusion like "all the nutters are on the right/conservative/Trump side", you really shouldnt complain to me when I take this standard and hold it against him.
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Sep 5 2020 10:07am
https://gfile.thedispatch.com/p/a-mostly-peaceful-g-file

First half is on the "93% peaceful protest" argument. Some fair points.
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Quote (IceMage @ Sep 5 2020 12:07pm)
https://gfile.thedispatch.com/p/a-mostly-peaceful-g-file

First half is on the "93% peaceful protest" argument. Some fair points.


Pretty good write up.

This on the "Fiery but mostly peaceful" headline:

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This may have supplanted “Fake but accurate” as the perfect encapsulation of the media’s reluctance to report news it finds inconvenient.

It doesn’t matter if it’s technically accurate in some sense. The message it conveys is that you shouldn’t really pay attention to the inferno behind the reporter, because that would be unfair to the protestors or Joe Biden. Think of it this way: how often do reporters covering local fires emphasize, “Most of the buildings in this city aren’t burning right now”?

There are some 800,000 police officers in the United States. Way more than 93 percent of them have never unjustly shot a black person, or any person. And yet, how often has the media uncritically allowed politicians and activists to say some variant of “it’s open season” on black men in this country? How often have they asserted it themselves?


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I’m not trying to minimize the problem of police abuse, but why is there no check—no modicum of journalistic truth-squadding and basic skepticism—when people say these kinds of things? Whenever right-wingers talk with such rhetorical ridiculousness, there’s plenty of pushback. When Donald Trump says, falsely, that Portland is “ablaze,” the fact checkers hie to their firepoles and slide down to correct the record. And that’s fine by me. He’s the president and therefore deserves more fact-checking than pretty much anyone else. But the sheer numbers of people who say wildly irresponsible and untrue things on the other side of the cultural and political divide adds up over time to collective malpractice that’s every bit as significant


I really like this part

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For my entire adult life, the most damning criticism of the left has boiled down to their approach to both politics and culture: “You will be made to care.” About 25 years ago, the left decided that tolerance was no longer good enough. You had to celebrate whatever they celebrated and hate whatever they hated. “If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem” is the single most totalitarian idea in wide circulation in American life. There are no safe harbors. No room for dissenting speech. No allowance for different passions, concerns, or pleasures. Compliance or Cancellation is the rule. That’s the fascistic spirit animating those jackwads demanding that people having a quiet dinner must raise their fist in solidarity with them.


This post was edited by ofthevoid on Sep 5 2020 11:26am
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Quote (IceMage @ 5 Sep 2020 18:07)
https://gfile.thedispatch.com/p/a-mostly-peaceful-g-file

First half is on the "93% peaceful protest" argument. Some fair points.


a few fair points, but also some incredibly asinine takes (especially those war analogies) and glaring omissions.

reminds me of the shapiro / peterson school of hackery devoid of substance trying to disguise as 'reasonable criticism'.
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Sep 5 2020 12:04pm
Quote (ofthevoid @ 5 Sep 2020 13:19)
Pretty good write up.

This on the "Fiery but mostly peaceful" headline:



Furthermore...



I really like this part


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But think about this for a second: In World War II, 16 million Americans served in uniform, but “only” 1 million saw combat. I was promised there would be no math, so I’m open to correction, but I think that means only 6.25 percent of American soldiers during World War II saw combat. Does that mean I can say that our participation in a globe-spanning deathmatch for the world’s soul was 93.75 percent peaceful? And keep in mind, the denominator here is uniformed military. If you make it the total number of Americans—about 144 million during the height of the war—then World War II was 99.31 percent peaceful. If that’s the case, then what was all the fuss about?


i see this fella also took my view about the media/(D)s/lefties calling the 1940s mostly peaceful too lmao. smart guy! and good article posted by ice
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Sep 5 2020 12:08pm
Quote (fender @ Sep 5 2020 01:51pm)
a few fair points, but also some incredibly asinine takes (especially those war analogies) and glaring omissions.

reminds me of the shapiro / peterson school of hackery devoid of substance trying to disguise as 'reasonable criticism'.


If you associate this article with the sort of hackery Shapiro does you're simply not open to right-wing viewpoints.

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Sep 5 2020 12:12pm
Quote (IceMage @ 5 Sep 2020 14:08)
If you associate this article with the sort of hackery Shapiro does you're simply not open to right-wing viewpoints.



hes not open to reality. you know that world war part of the article triggered him to no end lmfao
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Quote (IceMage @ 5 Sep 2020 20:08)
If you associate this article with the sort of hackery Shapiro does you're simply not open to right-wing viewpoints.


if you conclude from my comparison with shapiro that i am not open to other perspectives, you're simply not open to people holding other opinions than yourself.
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