last time we talked UBI u claimed people would start a war on robots, so maybe consider shutting up idk.

Only idiots think drugs are ok and and reflect freedom and liberties which is what both of you seem to think.

It was mentioned by another user already but check how they deal with this kind of shit in Singapore, then check healthcare in Singapore and GDP it's literally a perfect example.

You can both GTFO now lol

The crux that pushes it over the line for me is that economic pressures have a profound effect on families.

If UBI is implemented, no one with an income below 100k will ever marry.

The replacement rate will drop to 1.1 and single motherhood will shoot up to 70%.

Civilization isn't compatible with the idea of UBI in the long term. UBI destroys civilization akin to Calhoun's mice experiments.

Some 66% of American adults use Prescription drugs. Add in another 8% who use illegal drugs. Now top that with the fact that some 86% of American adults consume alcohol, and add in Cigarettes and other nicotine based products, and we're to a point where there's a very good chance that any given person is on some form of Drug. That's not even including things like caffeine and excess simple sugar additives in food which also have direct health impacts and... Yeah. As of 2016, some 20% (roughly) of all children and adolescents are on at least one form of prescription drug as well (a large percentage being related to attention or mood disorders), add in the number of underaged who smoke, drink, and use controlled substances (which is very difficult to track in direct terms, but is potentially higher than the adult average) and we've got a problem.

You want to claim that only idiots think drugs are okay, but given that the overwhelming majority of Americans actively use drugs of one form or another, and the only thing that sets them apart is legality, I would suggest that your claim is false. America seems to me to be overwhelmingly supportive of drug use. It's not that we don't "like" drugs, but instead that we wish to cast authoritative judgement over which drugs are "okay", exercise massive governmental control over those which are "okay", and turn anyone who steps outside those dictatorial controls into a criminal slave of the State.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pro drug use. However, based on the overall stats of usage, promotion, and sales, drugs ARE okay, and are actively encouraged nation-wide. Tune into any TV show, and half the ads are for one drug or another. The question is only on which drug is "approved".

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 9 2021 08:44am

dude.. nobody says drugs are ok per se.. Like we want a big line of heroin users..??
But.. To something MAYBE you can relate to.. Gun laws don't stop gun use right?
Drug laws convictions and incarcerations are NOT stopping drug use. Obviously
use the money for treatment education etc.
I know it pains you that tax dollars go to POC and anyone that lives in Detroit or Seattle.
But your Reagan war on drugs is a MASSIVE failure

What about metformin users? Collectively a bigger burden than heroin users.

Prescription drugs are intended to be beneficial and shouldn't be abused for the sake of chasing a high, I think we can agree on that.

In the case of illegal drugs, if drug addicts wouldn't rob other people after their habit has spun out of control, few people would complain I imagine. The problem is drug abuse and all the problems associated with it. Take meth for example, it's all bad news, period

My point is that being lenient on for example meth users is going to accomplish nothing, they'll want to keep chasing that high, destroying themselves and others in the process.



When I take a look at footage coming out of downtown Seattle something tells me that lenient lefty policies are an even bigger failure

This post was edited by Djunior on Apr 9 2021 09:08am

He doesn't care about their burden on the tax wallet. They vote R.

The Controlled Substances act was signed into law by Richard Nixon, who declared drugs "Public Enemy Number One". This was in 1971.

The "Drug War" is not a "Raegan Era" issue. It's an "Every President since Nixon" issue. With every president through W. Bush (both R and D) further adding to the list of illegal drugs, controlled (prescription) drugs, and harsher sentencing. The Obama era removal of the "5 grams 5 years" mandatory minimum from Crack and Meth was the first notable "lightening" of the war on drugs. Further degradation of mandatory sentencing under the Trump administration for more minimal class drugs has helped reduce some of the criminalization issue. So far, Biden hasn't really addressed the issue, though his reduction of border security has had absolute impact on trafficking.

Overall, we agree that the "War on Drugs" is patently insane and is a massive failure. Merely pointing out that it's not a "Raegan era" thing. But, the point remains that if drug possession was not a felony at certain levels, Floyd would have been unlikely to attempt to swallow his stash, leading to fatal levels in his blood stream. Had he avoided the Excited Delirium, and a fake $20 were his only charge? It's a misdemeanor in nearly all cases, and proof of intent is absolutely required. Not after the fact, but prior to spending the cash. And spending a fake $20 is not where the felonies come in, it's the production of such, and the knowing distribution of large amounts of false currency.

This post was edited by InsaneBobb on Apr 9 2021 09:18am

If UBI isnt implemented the rich will move to space colonies and leave the rabble behind.

your crux is you're always trying to save mankind's soul, im trying to preserve mankind's existence.

automation is going to create a permeant peasant class, and you're focused on whether they're married and have kids. not whether they have food, a house, or clothes.

welfare is nothing compared to what will be needed, and you're a fool concerned with traditional family values.

me and my kind will burn the world you know small man, we will leave only ashes. sweep them up with a broom or suck them up with a vacuum, it makes no difference to me. cry your tears into them and paint the sludge on for warpaint, because you and your ilk will be fighting for a forgotten yesterday until you are taken by natural selection. too stubborn to persist. generation after generation your children will shun your moral code one by one, like farmers of yesteryear losing children to the big city. until one day you, or your son, or your grandson, will be the last of your line. the last to fall to the future.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 9 2021 09:19am