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May 10 2022 07:03am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 10 May 2022 20:54)
That shelf is a pity along with your self inflated manners.
Worse being this third party quoting "It is quite difficult to speak or have discussion with people who base their arguments and debates on Dogmatic principles."
Which one of the most unpolite thing you can do on a forum. Giving an idea of the real values hidding behind this truely civilized gentleman.


But it's a fact.
How is it possible to have a civil discussion with someone who promotes "you are either with us or you are against us".
How is it possible to have a discussion with someone who thinks that "my principle , culture and way of life is the only way"

It is basically telling the other party " I am civilized , you are not. So either you stand with me or you will be view as someone with inferior, backwards and having a nefarious way of life."

There is no discussion, the rules are set.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on May 10 2022 07:09am
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May 10 2022 07:04am
Quote (ferdia @ 10 May 2022 16:00)
im not sure, but i think i read alot of stuff (not good!) about him if he is who i think he is! will look at it later if i get the chance.


What about "The Art of War"?
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Quote (ferdia @ 10 May 2022 21:00)
im not sure, but i think i read alot of stuff (not good!) about him if he is who i think he is! will look at it later if i get the chance.


He is a Marxist Economist, I don't like some of his stuff too, but I watch him for his experience in dealing with other countries when he was the Finance minister.
Not everyone I watch or read I agree with even Lee Kuan Yew.
No matter how good they are or how respected they are, I maintain an independent state of mind and analyze what is right and what is wrong and at what time and place it works and at what day and age it works.

It might work now , but we are moving so fast that within a couple of years the same concept might not work anymore. So we have to be flexible.
That being said, certain cores and philosophy will not change that much.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 10 2022 02:06pm)
He is a Marxist Economist, I don't like some of his stuff too, but I watch him for his experience in dealing with other countries when he was the Finance minister.
Not everyone I watch or read I agree with even Lee Kuan Yew.
No matter how good they are or how respected they are, I maintain an independent state of mind and analyze what is right and what is wrong and at what time and place it works and at what day and age it works.

It might work now , but we are moving so fast that within a couple of years the same concept might not work anymore. So we have to be flexible.
That being said, certain cores and philosophy will not change that much.


a fair assessment of my views as well.
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May 10 2022 07:10am
Quote (ferdia @ 10 May 2022 12:49)
ok i will try one last time. you dont have to reply positively, i dont mind:

1. if the US and Nato think its a bad idea to have nato troops in ukraine, they probably have a good reason.
2. your words are literally implying that russia is committing war crimes because nato made them/because nazi's made them. no war crimes are simply committed, in war. any party that tries to make excuses for war crimes, is at fault.
3. If is a fact that China is trying to buy itself into a better position, in africa and asia. it is a fact that America has been doing this as well for decades around the globe. Russia using bribes to prop up pro russian governments before and after the collapse of the USSR is also a fact. now there was another user in this thread that referred to this bothsidism / took affront when policies were compared. I am sorry you dont like it when ppl provide comparison. it is what it is, noting it is in fact, a comparison, albeit not an equal comparison. if i had to choose between the US and russia, i would choose the US.
4. you posted the picture of the poisoned politician. i agreed he was poisoned by pro russians. i asked if you could dig any further info.

again, i really dont see how the above is sending you away from discussing.


1. The reason is that Ukraine is not under Nato protection, but was looking for it, to protect itself from Russian behavior.
2. Russia invaded Ukraine claiming it was Nato's fault/threat and that Ukraine has to be de-nazified... Funny story with rapes, torture, murders, loot...
3 & 4. Russian regime has terrible gangster manners, and all this is happening on my continent. Direct invasion of Ukraine is another, unacceptable; step forward.
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May 10 2022 07:10am
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 10 2022 05:48am)
Losing what Twitter battles? Hundreds of Ukrainians are dying everyday while slowly loosing territory in the east.

This is the problem that annoys me in the west, inaccurate hopium that led to the destruction of a country with thousands dying. If only we had a sober view of reality.


Hundreds of fascist invaders are dying everyday too, and Ukraine is beginning to take back ground. Not only the areas around Kyiv, but also in the south and around the important city of Izium in the East. The best Russian units are exhausted and so depleted of manpower that they're no longer combat effective. Stop being a fucking bootlicker.
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May 10 2022 07:14am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 10 2022 02:31pm)
I have a uneasy relationship and at some point a distaste for extreme left.
My view on world issues are on the pragmatic side, what works and what doesn't and what is needed for the population of my country and what is in the interest of my neighbours and everyone else and how things can be negotiated, worked out and co exist that a certain amount of peace can be achieved.

Understanding my neighbour's culture and their red lines and what can be discussed and what cannot be discussed. That will ensure some kind of peace along the way.


Exactly.

People like never heard of the word pragmatic. Their narrative is "Russia bad" just like Syria bad / Libya bad which in their mind justified bombing them and calling that "Arab spring".

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May 10 2022 07:19am
Quote (Santara @ 10 May 2022 16:10)
Hundreds of fascist invaders are dying everyday too, and Ukraine is beginning to take back ground. Not only the areas around Kyiv, but also in the south and around the important city of Izium in the East. The best Russian units are exhausted and so depleted of manpower that they're no longer combat effective. Stop being a fucking bootlicker.


Any proof?
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Quote (Djunior @ 10 May 2022 13:14)
Exactly.

People like ^Saucisson6000 never heard of the word pragmatic. Their narrative is "Russia bad" just like Syria bad / Libya bad which in their mind justified bombing them and calling that "Arab spring".

SMH


Stop quoting me please, you don't know me, and i'm glad you never will.
You already said im "far left" wich is completely wrong, stop that and stick on what you know better: posting Youtube videos and attach it a bias title following your needs. :lol: :rofl:
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May 10 2022 07:26am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 10 2022 02:10pm)
1. The reason is that Ukraine is not under Nato protection, but was looking for it, to protect itself from Russian behavior.
2. Russia invaded Ukraine claiming it was Nato's fault/threat and that Ukraine has to be de-nazified... Funny story with rapes, torture, murders, loot...
3 & 4. Russian regime has terrible gangster manners, and all this is happening on my continent. Direct invasion of Ukraine is another, unacceptable; step forward.


1. taken in isolation (i.e. not factoring in other things you have said) : I agree.
2. also, agree.
3. I would not call it a step forwards, I would call it a unacceptable step backwards. I believe this is also aligned with your view.

there are issues users in this thread will agree with. i would like to think we can all find common ground. where we are not agreeing with certain views, its OK to say so and be in disagreement. this is normal.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 10 2022 07:28am
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