Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 12 2021 11:03pm)

Oh look. Goom pretending he doesn't understand exponential spread, cost benefit, or any other concerns with public health.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 12 2021 03:02pm)

Obesity is a far more deadly pandemic than Covid-19 and there are effective medical procedures we have developed to mitigate obesity. If the disease is that much more of a societal issue, doesn't it merit taking more invasive action than just a shot? Malabsorptive operations, gastric bypasses and adjustable bypass bands are a thing. Obesity is the leading root cause of death and bariatric surgery can lead to a 60% or more reduction in all-cause mortality and 10+ year average extended lifetime. LAGB has something like a 0.05% or less lethal complication rate and a ~52% reduced mortality rate. If we were mandating procedures that would keep people healthier and reduce the overall burden on our healthcare sector, there would be a better argument for strapping piggies to a table and cuffing their stomachs.

The law of the land is still set in the supreme court precedent of Buck v Bell, which established that the overall benefit of society could use the same arguments of mandatory vaccination and apply them to invasive, destructive surgeries- namely, mandatory sterilization of retarded women so they'd stop having little retard babies. As Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr put it;



If not for arguments of red blooded American libertarianism and hostility towards centralized, oppressive authority- why not?

Quote (SylvesterStallone @ Dec 12 2021 05:14pm)

and you're still pretending that you don't understand how poor health, diet and lifestyle are the only things putting u at risk from covid if you're younger than 65

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 12 2021 05:03pm)

Oh look. Goom pretending he doesn't understand exponential spread, cost benefit, or any other concerns with public health.

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 12 2021 05:22pm)

As said, the current data coming out of recent reports is showing the vaccines are growing far less and less effective at stopping infection rates, to the point that recent weeks might have no statistically significant difference.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccine-weekly-surveillance-reports
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/national-flu-and-covid-19-surveillance-reports-2021-to-2022-season
take those for example. Shows a 90%+ vaccine effectiveness against hospitalization and mortality. But rates of infection are actually higher in every group 30-69 for the vaccinated cohort, though this is inverted for the 80+ cohort and 18 or less. Overall its pretty significant evidence reinforcing the current theme that vaccines stop the dead not the spread. And Omicron seems to follow the same trend, ignoring vaccines in spread but not being very deadly to the vaccinated.

Quote (Sioux @ Dec 12 2021 05:16pm)

This is a lot of words to say nothing. Obesity isn't contagious.

Realistically as a liberal, I don't care if republicans don't get vaccinated. Conservative voters are older, fatter and generally more unhealthy. If this swings future elections so be it.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 12 2021 05:23pm)

Cool. Now compare the cost and benefit of a vaccine to bariatric surgery.

Why are you so afraid of honesty?

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 12 2021 05:21pm)

If your society is obese it doesn't make a virus that kills the obese not a health concern.

You realize that obese people are still fully functional contributors to society and the economy right?

Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 12 2021 05:23pm)

Contagiousness is the whole point. As the vaccine diminishes or fails completely at mitigating contagiousness, that eliminates the argument for mandating vaccines on the basis of how your personal health decisions impact others

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 12 2021 11:21pm)

If your society is obese it doesn't make a virus that kills the obese not a health concern.

You realize that obese people are still fully functional contributors to society and the economy right?