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May 10 2022 03:47am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 10 2022 09:25am)
Zelensky adviser:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xNHmHpERH8
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H50ho9Dlrms


You can find various transcripts and other interviews if you want.

The conversation was about Ukraine’s NATO prospects. When the journalist asked the expert whether the Donbass war could be ended if Ukraine was granted MAP (Membership Action Plan) status, he said that this would most likely push Russia towards a major military operation against Ukraine. “Because they will blow us away infrastructural and have to turn everything here into a ruin.” He stated:
“They (the Russians) should do it before we join NATO, so that we don’t become interesting for NATO. More precisely, not interesting as a destroyed area. There is a 99.9 percent probability that our price for joining to NATO is a big war with Russia. And if we don’t join NATO, Russia will take us within 10 to 12 years.”
When asked which variant was better, Arestovich had no doubts: “Of course a big war with Russia and as a result joining NATO on the basis of defeating Russia.” He detailed what a “great war” with Russia meant:
“It’s an air offensive, an invasion of the Russian armies deployed on our borders, a siege of Kiev, an attempt to encircle the troops of the Donbass operation, a breakthrough through the Isthmus of Crimea, gaining access to the Kakhovskoye reservoir to supply Crimea with water, an offensive from the territory of Belarus, the creation of new people’s republics, an airborne landing, acts of sabotage against critical infrastructure, etc. This is a full-fledged war. And the probability of this is 99 percent.”


thanks for the confirmation that the selensky scumbag regime was doing the bidding of their overlords instead of avoiding the war

they saw it coming and refused to negotiate a neutral status like germany and the EU offered

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May 10 2022 04:02am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 10 May 2022 09:47)
thanks for the confirmation that the selensky scumbag regime was doing the bidding of their overlords instead of avoiding the war

they saw it coming and refused to negotiate a neutral status like germany and the EU offered


The only "scumbags" in this story are putin's boots suckers.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 10 2022 12:02pm)
The only "scumbags" in this story are putin's boots suckers.


a classic unrelated sauci response

i mean you posted the argument i made the entire time yourself

an entire country gets sacrificed by its elites and the west to weaken russia in a proxy war
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May 10 2022 04:16am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 10 May 2022 10:10)
a classic unrelated sauci response

i mean you posted the argument i made the entire time yourself

an entire country gets sacrificed by its elites and the west to weaken russia in a proxy war


I'm so sorry that you fall in denial and hate freedom that much.
Maybe it's time for you to move to Russia along with all your family, here they will hear your very smart point.
"elite" LOL

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 10 2022 12:16pm)
I'm so sorry that you fall in denial and hate freedom that much.
Maybe it's time for you to move to Russia along with all your family, here they will hear your very smart point.
"elite" LOL


great freedom for the average joe who is fighting a war he cant win and for territory they will never get back, while some random dude in france (you guys would have waved the white flag already) cheers him on and his own government saw it coming while refusing meaningful peace talks

awesome freedom you are talking about

you should read your own posts buddy
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May 10 2022 04:23am
I think this is the most prevalent response to Putin's speach:

Washington: The United States said Monday that President Vladimir Putin was "absurd" and insulting history by casting Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a defensive operation on the anniversary of victory over Nazi Germany."To call this a defensive action is patently absurd," State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters. "It is an insult to those who have lost their lives and those who have fallen victim to this senseless oppression."

There is no attempt to show respect or in any way acknowledge russian concerns, or play peace maker. its a case of sticking to the narrative, no deviations. imagine if you wanted peace, would you use this language ? no. a better response would have been something like this:

"The Ukrainian government sought to forge its own new journey, without russian involvement. They handed over their nukes years ago to russian in order to demonstrate that they were no threat to russia. Yes there has been a civil war in Ukraine for many years and alot of people have died, including ukrainian russians. also yes, the united states has been supporting ukraine militarily since 2014, sending them massive quantities of weapons. while we acknowledge russia's security concerns the fact is that russia is the aggressor having invaded ukraine. we would now implore that talks take place between all stakeholders in order to resolve the conflict before it escalates further".

we will not see anything like that, and its outlined in this topic why.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 10 2022 04:32am
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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 10 May 2022 10:21)
great freedom for the average joe who is fighting a war he cant win and for territory they will never get back, while some random dude in france (you guys would have waved the white flag already) cheers him on and his own government saw it coming while refusing meaningful peace talks

awesome freedom you are talking about

you should read your own posts buddy


You are a Putin's regime fan. You like it ? Move to Russia.
Nothing else to say, except that you are on losers side.
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May 10 2022 04:34am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ May 10 2022 11:21am)
great freedom for the average joe who is fighting a war he cant win and for territory they will never get back, while some random dude in france (you guys would have waved the white flag already) cheers him on and his own government saw it coming while refusing meaningful peace talks

awesome freedom you are talking about

you should read your own posts buddy


referring to france and white flag waving is a bit low. nobody knew of the horrific events that would follow at that time. france was a civilized country that made the mistake in thinking their enemy was also civilized.


all in all personal attacks are not needed to voice a difference of opinion, all it does is lower the bar (and your view may become muddied).

This post was edited by ferdia on May 10 2022 04:36am
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Quote (ferdia @ 10 May 2022 10:23)
I think this is the most prevalent response to Putin's speach:

Washington: The United States said Monday that President Vladimir Putin was "absurd" and insulting history by casting Russia's invasion of Ukraine as a defensive operation on the anniversary of victory over Nazi Germany."To call this a defensive action is patently absurd," State Department spokesman Ned Price told reporters. "It is an insult to those who have lost their lives and those who have fallen victim to this senseless oppression."


Presence of Nato in Ukraine (assumuming a massive presence) would not add much tactical issue, the only problem is that Russia lost it puppets in Ukraine despite all the interference, corruption, threat, efforts.
Remember the president who got poisoned ?
So they invade.

Peace poisoning officially supported by DJunior & JohnnyMcCoy


This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 10 2022 04:42am
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