Hopefully Ukraine stops Russia and there will be no more war.
No war in Poland, no war in Germany, no war in France.
Its just a shame Ukrainians receive so little support from the world.
People should really do better, its like they dont understand Russia wont stop there, but will use enslaved Ukraine as a tool to conquer more countries.

This post was edited by Ironfister on May 9 2022 11:24am

If Russia had easily succeeded in Ukraine, like they initially expected, and Poland/Romania/Estonia were not NATO members, why would the Russians have stopped with Ukraine? Their NATO membership would have been the only thing standing between these countries and the Russian tanks. Well, this discussion has become moot since this is not how things panned out anyway.

Yes, the West expanded eastward after 1991, but again: the Eastern European countries voluntarily joined NATO, they weren't forced to. Which again raises the question: why? Why did the Eastern Europeans want to join NATO so urgently, almost desperately, while big daddy Russia was busy with internal turmoil? Are all these countries paranoid, do they share a collective but unjustified fear of Russia? Or could it be that they know Russia all too well, much better than we in the West, and knew that Russia's imperialist desires would awaken again?



As things stand today, Russia will barely, just barely, be able to accomplish its absolute minimum goals in Ukraine (seize Donbass and a land bridge to Crimea) and save face on the world stage. Upon closer inspection, the Russian performance in Ukraine has been an embarrassment. Due to the sanctions and the heavy losses, it will take Russia many years to replenish the strength it had at the start of this current war - and considering Poland's much more modern NATO weapons, this would not even be enough for Russia to win a 1on1 against Poland. So realistically, the specter of a Russian invasion in Poland should be off the table for quite a long time.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 9 2022 11:30am

Yes but you also need to remember that Chinese military equipment comes from Russia, well of course Chinese are good at doing improvements and modifications like Japan, but this current Ukraine war have already shown you the extent of Chinese military hardware capability.
There is one thing that they are superior though, their missiles.

Apart from that their invasion capability is still far away from being a threat and they won't. That being said within 800 km or so around China, China's missiles will probably win, further than that, the Chinese have no capability.

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on May 9 2022 11:29am

Bruh

They went into Ukraine because of promised NATO membership in the future. LMK if I need to post sources. The countries you mention already were members which had caused the Russians to protest over and over again to no avail. We all know what happened.

If NATO had stayed where they were after 1991 nothing would have happened and anyways if the Soviets wanted to have Eastern Eu so badly (as you want to make us believe) why did they leave in the first place? They had a massive army there but left without a shot fired. It's history dude.

Reality is that they trusted the West (promised security - no NATO expansion East) and the West fucked up. It's all history dude it cannot be denied.

And if all out war occurs you can forget about that second part. They can flatten the whole of Poland in a matter of minutes. Like I said before this ain't Iraq or Afghanistan but a country that possesses 6K nukes and modern (hypersonic) means of delivery.

Except Ukraines membership was effectively dead in the water before the war even started and even the president said it was basically indefinitely delayed.

If Ukraine joining nato is the prime concern then Russia has already won. The fact that they are still in Ukraine shows that isn't their main concern

lol

https://www.nato.int/docu/update/2008/04-april/e0403h.html

It's called NATO's open door policy. You should look it up.

Try again with a source that isn't 14 years old

That source is what it's all about, it triggered this conflict. You're really failing

Seems you don't get it, even ukraine strategist told it to journalists during an interview.
Russia was about to steal Ukraine in the next years using violence/corruption/medling, the classic "genius" tricks.
He told it himself: " we did no have the choice: Ukraine has no other choice than trigger Nato assistance to survive the absorption"
He even admitted they did not evacuate civilians else roads would have been blocked and putin would have won his 3 days war on kiev.

Time for you to adapt.

In 2005, #German newspaper @handelsblatt asked Sergei #Lavrov what he thinks about a possible #NATO membership of #Ukraine. He replied: "It is their choice. We respect the right of every state - including our neighbors - to choose its own partners".