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Oct 12 2019 07:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 12 2019 06:48pm)
What the fuck dude, did you read the part where I literally wrote "equal or functionally similar"?

Of course if one takes out a key aspect of my definition of discrimination, like you just did, then it can, based on this false premise, be mischaracterized as unworkable or illogical or leading to unacceptable consequences.

Nonsense. There's a difference between "civil rights" and "human rights", to name just one simple counterexample.

Bullshit. My definition of discrimination cannot be used to defend Jim Crow since there is no fundamental difference between blacks and whites that could justify such a vastly unequal treatment.

I never said it's a particularly good or convincing point, just that it's a valid one. Also note that the "promoted and protected"-part should be read as "promoted and protected beyond what society already does for any kind of family".


You hold the opinion that blacks and whites are functionally equal but thats just an opinion. What matters when assessing equality depends on your opinion of what is imoortant. Your opinion is that race isnt imoortant but thats a product of your upbringing, not an inherent fact about reality.

You are literally giving an argiment that WAS ACTUALLY USED TO DEFEND SLAVERY. You can claim your argument cant be used but it was and thats a fact of history. The slavers of the past didnt see us as equal and so didnt think they were doing anything wrong.

Still, gay marriages are functionally similar to straight marriages in virtually all of the ways that we both value, and since ive never seen you advocate for "procreation focused marriage" I cant believe for a second you value that as a deciding factor in the ability to marry.

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Oct 12 2019 08:13pm
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You hold the opinion that blacks and whites are functionally equal but thats just an opinion. What matters when assessing equality depends on your opinion of what is imoortant. Your opinion is that race isnt imoortant but thats a product of your upbringing, not an inherent fact about reality.

You are literally giving an argiment that WAS ACTUALLY USED TO DEFEND SLAVERY. You can claim your argument cant be used but it was and thats a fact of history. The slavers of the past didnt see us as equal and so didnt think they were doing anything wrong.

Still, gay marriages are functionally similar to straight marriages in virtually all of the ways that we both value, and since ive never seen you advocate for "procreation focused marriage" I cant believe for a second you value that as a deciding factor in the ability to marry.


What was the excuse used by Africans to enslave and sell other Africans?
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Oct 12 2019 08:14pm
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What was the excuse used by Africans to enslave and sell other Africans?


Capitalism, I think.
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Oct 12 2019 08:19pm
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Capitalism, I think.


Capitalism defines property rights. The Africans went a step further than Capitalism and dehumanized humans into property. In their society it was seen as merciful because the only other alternative for prisoners of war was execution.
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Oct 12 2019 08:27pm
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What was the excuse used by Africans to enslave and sell other Africans?


Whats your excuse for never contributing anything of quality?
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Oct 12 2019 08:43pm
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Whats your excuse for never contributing anything of quality?


Debilitating autism. 👊👊👊
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Oct 12 2019 08:45pm
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Debilitating autism. 👊👊👊


Sounds like a fake disease the liberals made up
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Oct 12 2019 08:49pm
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Capitalism defines property rights. The Africans went a step further than Capitalism and dehumanized humans into property. In their society it was seen as merciful because the only other alternative for prisoners of war was execution.


Who's to say that's external to capitalism?
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Oct 12 2019 08:55pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 12 2019 07:48pm)
What the fuck dude, did you read the part where I literally wrote "equal or functionally similar"?

Of course if one takes out a key aspect of my definition of discrimination, like you just did, then it can, based on this false premise, be mischaracterized as unworkable or illogical or leading to unacceptable consequences.





Nonsense. There's a difference between "civil rights" and "human rights", to name just one simple counterexample.




Bullshit. My definition of discrimination cannot be used to defend Jim Crow since there is no fundamental difference between blacks and whites that could justify such a vastly unequal treatment.




I never said it's a particularly good or convincing point, just that it's a valid one. Also note that the "promoted and protected"-part should be read as "promoted and protected beyond what society already does for any kind of family".


Well marriage is defined as a Right of all Americans. And we had this debate already with marriage, just with race. Exact same debate. Kind of tired that conservatives are still stuck on things like miscegenation.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Oct 12 2019 10:45pm)
Sounds like a fake disease the liberals made up


Just like dinosaurs and climate change.

This post was edited by Skinned on Oct 12 2019 08:55pm
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Oct 12 2019 09:01pm
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Well marriage is defined as a Right of all Americans. And we had this debate already with marriage, just with race. Exact same debate. Kind of tired that conservatives are still stuck on things like miscegenation.



Just like dinosaurs and climate change.


You mean that thing from the 50s that said we'd all die in the next 20 years?
Or the one from the 70s? ....80s? 90s....
Oh no, the one that Al Gore was warning us about, that was it.

You're a fucking chump, buy my climate restorer please.

This post was edited by LA-Leviathan on Oct 12 2019 09:02pm
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