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Dec 5 2017 09:00am
Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 5 2017 04:45am)
Yo Icemage, tell me what you think that Mueller subpoenaing Deutsche Bank speaks as to whether his motives are partisan or not
Is this him impartially probing for evidence of election collusion in the book-keeping somehow, or is he now on a fishing expedition?
A reasonable interpretation might be that Mueller is now using Flynn's cooperation to provide probable cause for seeking records of Kusher and/or Trump being involved in money laundering / tax evasion that had nothing to do with the election. It would certainly sit well with the narrative of "Flynn testifies to things everyone has already known since day 1". It would also be Ken Starr 2.0 and lead to a mueller-dismissal showdown


Seems incredibly partisan. As Mueller is a lifelong Republican, it only makes sense he’s trying to protect his party from being taken over by anti-conservative fascists by any means possible.

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A broad mandate to go on a fishing expedition into Trump's personal finances?
Lets not be disingenuous here, Mueller was appointed to investigate russian interference in the 2016 election, it says so right on the tin, and it was borne of democrats screaming about supposed collusion between trump and russian interference in the 2016 election. If he goes off searching for stained blue dresses, that's when a supposedly non-partisan investigation is exposed as a fishing trip aimed at attacking Trump on an unrelated tangent instead of pursuing his stated purpose.

Mueller is thoroughly an establishment FBI creature. And given the history of the FBI these past couple years, its hard to maintain that there is no political animus towards Trump or objectivity- those buttery emails, the Comey intervention, the leaks, the wiretapping, the Rosatom scandal, strzok and page, etc etc, Mueller is from a politically compromised organization as bad as the Hoover days or worse. How much of that splashed onto him? Whether Mueller is a partisan or not is as of yet unknown, we have only repeated assurances of his credibility from a time when the FBI wasn't at war with an anti-establishment figure.


If Mueller didn't have the mandate to investigate matters outside of strictly collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, he wouldn't have the leverage to flip people. Rosenstein is the one who gave Mueller such a broad mandate, you should be blaming him for this.

All kidding aside, if it turns out Mueller is looking into Trump's finances for reasons outside of the investigation into collusion, I think that's a problem.

Lol... so dramatic. It's not surprising that people inside the FBI and intelligence community don't like Trump... he has insulted them multiple times, as a candidate, as president-elect, and as president. It's clear to most rational people that he's a complete buffoon. I don't agree with your characterization of the FBI though. Everyone pre-Trump thought Mueller was a man with great integrity, everyone who has worked with him confirms this. Trump supporters were going to question the integrity of whoever got appointed as special counsel.

This post was edited by IceMage on Dec 5 2017 09:28am
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The scope of the investigation was laid out in the Rosenstein letter appointing a special counsel.

If Mueller was only mandated to look strictly into collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, Manafort wouldn't be under house arrest right now.

But the cultist tears are delicious.

https://m.popkey.co/53f79a/l3oQl_s-200x150.gif


http://www.dailywire.com/news/24322/mueller-credibility-plunges-trump-probe-imploding-joseph-curl
https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/fbi-agent-kicked-from-mueller-probe-changed-language-in-comeys-clinton-memo/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/363194-former-fbi-agent-changed-comeys-language-of-clinton-email-use-to



the ‘scope of mueller’s investigation’ gonna cover all this too?

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She is a wretched thing.



icemage is like the only person who actually likes hillary (c)linton more than your typical lefty

Bill doesn’t like her
The Obamas don’t like her
White voting women don’t like her (she lost the demographic she belongs to lmao)
Barnie Sanders doesn’t like her (he took her money tho like a proper commie lol)
Young black males don’t like her (super predator crime bill she pushed)
Pretty much every lefty here didn’t like her (they held their nose as Barnie was their preferred candidate)

he’s the only one still cheerleading on her behalf waving e-pom poms from his planned parenthood closet of an office
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Quote (excellence @ Dec 5 2017 10:28am)
http://www.dailywire.com/news/24322/mueller-credibility-plunges-trump-probe-imploding-joseph-curl
https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/fbi-agent-kicked-from-mueller-probe-changed-language-in-comeys-clinton-memo/
http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/04/politics/peter-strzok-james-comey/index.html
http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/363194-former-fbi-agent-changed-comeys-language-of-clinton-email-use-to

https://i.redd.it/ov1l4dple3201.png

the ‘scope of mueller’s investigation’ gonna cover all this too?




icemage is like the only person who actually likes hillary (c)linton more than your typical lefty

Bill doesn’t like her
The Obamas don’t like her
White voting women don’t like her (she lost the demographic she belongs to lmao)
Barnie Sanders doesn’t like her (he took her money tho like a proper commie lol)
Young black males don’t like her (super predator crime bill she pushed)
Pretty much every lefty here didn’t like her (they held their nose as Barnie was their preferred candidate)

he’s the only one still cheerleading on her behalf waving e-pom poms from his planned parenthood closet of an office


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Quote (IceMage @ Dec 5 2017 09:16am)
If Mueller didn't have the mandate to investigate matters outside of strictly collusion between Russia and the Trump campaign, he wouldn't have the leverage to flip people. Rosenstein is the one who gave Mueller such a broad mandate, you should be blaming him for this.

All kidding aside, if it turns out Mueller is looking into Trump's finances for reasons outside of the investigation into collusion, I think that's a problem.

Lol... so dramatic. It's not surprising that people inside the FBI and intelligence community don't like Trump... he has insulted them multiple times, as a candidate, as president-elect, and as president. It's clear to most rational people that he's a complete buffoon. I don't agree with your characterization of the FBI though. Everyone pre-Trump thought Mueller was a man with great integrity, everyone who has worked with him confirms this. Trump supporters were going to question the integrity of whoever got appointed as special counsel.


This is requires faith in the establishment. Haven't we seen enough to question the inner workings of the FBI and whether its been politically compromised yet?
If the FBI was aloof from partisan intrigue, Michael Flynn would never have gotten fired in the first place. This whole thing started when the FBI was intercepting his communications via FISA rubber stamp and those of other Trump officials like Manafort both prior to and after the election, then they got unmasked under inexplicable circumstances (susan rice now denies she was involved with the requests filled out in her name), and then publicly leaked. The entire purpose of the masking and warrants in the first place was supposed to be to insulate these counterintelligence operations from political intrigue, yet Flynn was fired because partisans within the FBI leaked the contents of top secret wiretapped conversations. And that's just one of many dirty operations, are we supposed to believe those buttery emails were treated with professionalism and due diligence? Comey's twelve'o'clock politicking made the political interference explicit, and god knows he oversaw leaksville after that and was himself leaking.

If the FBI was broken under comey, can we pretend that it just happened overnight and wasn't like that under Mueller before him?

If an FBI can act like its the Hoover era and run itself as a political wing with its own objectives and backroom alliances, we can't give Mueller the presumption of integrity. He might be honest, he might not. We can only read the signs.
And if the signs are that Mueller is setting up a fishing expedition into Trump's history of tax evasion and money laundering, things are going to get real dirty real quick

This post was edited by Goomshill on Dec 5 2017 09:47am
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The only reason Mueller has any clue about what's going on, is that he was (and probably still is) in on it.

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How much do you think about Trump per day.

How much real estate does he own inside your mind? I'm curious.
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Quote (Goomshill @ Dec 5 2017 03:57pm)



From what I've heard, deutsche bank can't let trump know he's subpoenaed, so he might just be going off of Deutscha saying there was no subpoena.
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