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Dec 9 2021 02:49pm
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WOMAN DISCOVERS COVID JAB RACKET THE HARD WAY
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Dec 9 2021 03:53pm
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wow look at the numbers go up in israel as the "vaccinated" numbers go up. ...........gona take me a while to look it over.

i have to go for now. but? how come you do the highest state (mississippi)? why not do the lowest state?


That would be Vermont with 67 deaths/100k and the highest vaccination rate in America at 74.4%
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Dec 9 2021 04:27pm
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That would be Vermont with 67 deaths/100k and the highest vaccination rate in America at 74.4%


Oh look, even lower death rate than Israel... wonder if it has anything to do with the high vaccination rate :huh:
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Dec 9 2021 04:33pm
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Insurance companies already account for those things with what they charge. Being 100% serious not allowing insurance companies to pay for Covid treatment and forcing an individual to pay for it out of pocket is fucking stupid. However, they should 100% be able to charge more for those who are not vaccinated. Insurance companies are peak capitalistic vultures and don't give a shit about your political alignment and whether supporting vaccines hurts or helps Trump or Biden. They've got actuaries to do the math and figure out the increased projected costs from their customers not being vaccinated and I'm 100% on board for them being able to charge you extra for that.

If people like TiStuff were right about the vaccine then the insurance companies would either be part of some massive global conspiracy involving millions of people to keep quiet because if the vaccine were actually more dangerous and Covid was an overblown cold then insurance companies would be paying us to not take the vaccine.


Your argument can't be justified. As you said insurance companies account for all the variables. Covid vaxed or unvaxed has to be included. For example most Americans get their insurance from their employers plan like hmo and ppo plans. A healthy 26 year old on no meds sees a doc once a year for checkups pays the same premium as his 60 year old counter part that's on 6 different meds and sees countless specialists and primary care doc way more often, and is getting various costly tests administered regularly. They certainly do not want to open pandora's box in charging more for unvaxed because it would open the argument for a sliding scale premium like the above example would certainly have a case for, and they certainly don't want that at any level.
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Your argument can't be justified. As you said insurance companies account for all the variables. Covid vaxed or unvaxed has to be included. For example most Americans get their insurance from their employers plan like hmo and ppo plans. A healthy 26 year old on no meds sees a doc once a year for checkups pays the same premium as his 60 year old counter part that's on 6 different meds and sees countless specialists and primary care doc way more often, and is getting various costly tests administered regularly. They certainly do not want to open pandora's box in charging more for unvaxed because it would open the argument for a sliding scale premium like the above example would certainly have a case for, and they certainly don't want that at any level.


Right, and thanks to Obamacare insurance companies are forced to insure everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions. Without Obamacare, companies could refuse to cover the unvaccinated during a pandemic as it would drive premiums up for everyone!

Thanks Obama!
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Right, and thanks to Obamacare insurance companies are forced to insure everyone regardless of pre-existing conditions. Without Obamacare, companies could refuse to cover the unvaccinated during a pandemic as it would drive premiums up for everyone!

Thanks Obama!



Thanks Obama!
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Your argument can't be justified. As you said insurance companies account for all the variables. Covid vaxed or unvaxed has to be included. For example most Americans get their insurance from their employers plan like hmo and ppo plans. A healthy 26 year old on no meds sees a doc once a year for checkups pays the same premium as his 60 year old counter part that's on 6 different meds and sees countless specialists and primary care doc way more often, and is getting various costly tests administered regularly. They certainly do not want to open pandora's box in charging more for unvaxed because it would open the argument for a sliding scale premium like the above example would certainly have a case for, and they certainly don't want that at any level.


I'm not following what point you are trying to make? My argument was that medical insurance companies want to maximize their bottom line, if they were able to they'd love to charge people who are unvaccinated more if the vaccine was effective in preventing Covid/lessening the severity in break through cases. If the vaccine were ineffective then the insurances companies would not have an incentive to have their customers get vaccinated. If the vaccine were actively harmful, like some conspiracy theorists purport, then they would be incentivized to prevent their customers from getting vaccinated.


You then point out most people get their insurance through work their works provide some sort of buffer from premiums being tailored to individual? I suppose that is true and would likely lead to increased premiums across the board, but presumably more for employers with lower vaccination rates, due to inability to target individuals... but I don't see how that shows my argument being unjustified?

Also why wouldn't they want sliding scale premiums & why would they be concerned about a 'pandora's box' about charging the unvaxxed more? I presume since the unvaxxed are so politically aligned they may be worried about a government response from places with GOP control, but I still don't see how that relates to how the vaccine being ineffective should mean insurance companies wouldn't care about their customers being vaccinated or charging more for unvaccinated customers when there would supposedly be no difference.
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I'm not following what point you are trying to make? My argument was that medical insurance companies want to maximize their bottom line, if they were able to they'd love to charge people who are unvaccinated more if the vaccine was effective in preventing Covid/lessening the severity in break through cases. If the vaccine were ineffective then the insurances companies would not have an incentive to have their customers get vaccinated. If the vaccine were actively harmful, like some conspiracy theorists purport, then they would be incentivized to prevent their customers from getting vaccinated.


You then point out most people get their insurance through work their works provide some sort of buffer from premiums being tailored to individual? I suppose that is true and would likely lead to increased premiums across the board, but presumably more for employers with lower vaccination rates, due to inability to target individuals... but I don't see how that shows my argument being unjustified?

Also why wouldn't they want sliding scale premiums & why would they be concerned about a 'pandora's box' about charging the unvaxxed more? I presume since the unvaxxed are so politically aligned they may be worried about a government response from places with GOP control, but I still don't see how that relates to how the vaccine being ineffective should mean insurance companies wouldn't care about their customers being vaccinated or charging more for unvaccinated customers when there would supposedly be no difference.


The point is simple. If you're on board with charging more for unvaxed ( a personal choice) then there would be grounds to charge more for other personal choices such as tobacco, alcohol, and drug use, or by your weight or obesity level. Start testing for stress levels and charge more for that. The example I showed was simply to illustrate that the insurance companies figure in all variables when offering a flat rate premium even though it may seem unfair to some and beneficial to others.
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Dec 9 2021 06:24pm
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The point is simple. If you're on board with charging more for unvaxed ( a personal choice) then there would be grounds to charge more for other personal choices such as tobacco, alcohol, and drug use, or by your weight or obesity level. Start testing for stress levels and charge more for that. The example I showed was simply to illustrate that the insurance companies figure in all variables when offering a flat rate premium even though it may seem unfair to some and beneficial to others.


Yeah... and how does that tie to the efficacy of the vaccines?

If the vaccines did nothing there would be no need to change premiums, whether it be raising premiums overall because they can't target individuals or raising on individuals if they could do so.
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Dec 9 2021 06:26pm
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The point is simple. If you're on board with charging more for unvaxed ( a personal choice) then there would be grounds to charge more for other personal choices such as tobacco, alcohol, and drug use, or by your weight or obesity level. Start testing for stress levels and charge more for that. The example I showed was simply to illustrate that the insurance companies figure in all variables when offering a flat rate premium even though it may seem unfair to some and beneficial to others.


Insurance companies literally do charge smokers a higher premium.
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