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May 8 2022 02:54pm
Quote (dro94 @ May 8 2022 09:52pm)
As do I, and Scotland could certainly leave, but hell will freeze over before Ulster Protestants let NI reunify, and they're the majority

I was referring to Stormont


they are really not the majority, but let me go away and double check. i dont mind being wrong.

in the meantime:

The US, UK and Irish governments have urged political parties in Northern Ireland to re-establish a devolved administration. Sinn Féin secured the most seats in the assembly election, a first for a nationalist party in Northern Ireland. Sinn Féin's Michelle O'Neill is in line to become first minister, if the DUP nominate a deputy first minister. However, Northern Ireland Secretary Brandon Lewis has played down the prospect of a border poll being called. The Northern Ireland secretary said the election results were "significant", but pointed out that unionists still have more seats than nationalists at the Northern Ireland Assembly. "So I think the focus at the moment quite rightly is on getting Stormont back up and running," he told BBC NI's Sunday Politics programme.

The DUP is in serious trouble (these are the political party that wants to remain part of the UK) in that they wanted Brexit but were not happy with the ramifications of brexit. They want to throw their proverbial toys, but dont know how to provide an alternative solution. I honestly see their politic's as a dead end. I have no clue what their long term plans are but in my view it looks like they are not going to get what they want via the political means, and therefore i fear that we will see violence in the north, terrorist activities when they seek to get their way one way or the other. however as i disagree with you that they outnumbers the nationalists either as a population or in government I think it will be quite different from what we have previously seen.

ultimately the north is a mess with 2 widely opposed positions. this is not good and for serious differences i in no way support changes (such as a vote for re-unification) in the short term. (remember my short term is 10-20 years).

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May 8 2022 02:56pm
Quote (ferdia @ May 8 2022 08:44pm)
I dont mind revisiting this topic in 10 years, I expect alot of problems for the UK re: N Ireland and Scotland, in that (short) timeframe.

also, the majority of seats, where ? please dont say in london. also where are you reading there is more support for union in the north then for re-unification with the republic ? also finally, how can britain control what happens in the north? ehmm where are you reading all this from? alot of what you are saying does not jive with the current state of affairs (i accept this is off topic but well we used n.ireland before as a comparison so i dont mind going down that cave for a bit).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Ireland#Assorted_opinion_polls
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May 8 2022 02:58pm
Quote (ferdia @ 8 May 2022 23:49)
thats scotland btw :) but we in ireland like scotland, we like england too now as well btw. time heals all wounds (only illiterate low iq shits still flame the english for being english).


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May 8 2022 03:00pm
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before i say anything else, yes your right, based on all that more people in the north do NOT want to reunite with the republic of ireland (i agree with your correction).

i pulled this from your link: https://www.irishnews.com/news/northernirelandnews/2022/04/05/news/nationalists-urged-not-to-be-disheartened-by-poll-support-for-united-ireland-2633602/

Ultimately it looks like the nationalists (sinn fein, lets call them the baddies ok) want to reunite with the republic asap noting their army council are all getting older and they want a united ireland in their lifetime. therefore, when your data is accurate, it means that looking to unite with the republic now would be terrible for northern society noting the deep divide.

i am irish. i call the nationalists the baddies because what they are doing (seeking re-unification) is too early and will lead to awful social issues, even if ultimately their goal is something i would look for in the long term (100+ years) if they wanted to join us. the main issue right now: when we see sinn fein being the dominant party, and the loyalists potentially not entering powersharing government. ideally a more moderate unionist party will replace the DUP, noting the DUP politic's is a dead end.

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May 8 2022 03:58pm
Quote (ferdia @ 9 May 2022 03:09)
if Putin is ousted its possible we might get worse. Russia seems to have an inferiority complex which will be compounded by this war. Inferiorty complex might be the wrong expression, say rather a "the world is out to get us" attitude, which, in fact, it is.



pretty sure he will never get our of jail and is more likely to rot away forever. while we might all want him to be the next leader, its a pipe dream.


also sorry for the afk and delay in review and response, i was busy! hope everyone had a nice weekendXD



what ? where is this coming from ? Russia would only give up nukes if it was invaded in a world war. and they would sooner nuke the planet then surrender. they have invaded ukraine. if they leave ukraine it will not suddenly become russia suing for peace. forget about this idea of Russia giving up its nukes. unless i read you wrong ?



for the bolded i would say it differently, the EU would reconisder in all situations and work with russia. ultimately russia has alot of issues, not just putin. there are enough books out there to read why russia is close but not too close to the EU from a cultural standpoint. yes at a government level they will sometimes have equal interests, but russia is massive and it takes a little team (read : years) for things to thaw and improve. not for the next little while i guess (10+)



Well someone mentioned that if Putin get ousted and the situation in Russia will be similar to Ukraine.
A possible pro Western President get elected and due to world peace and being assimilated into Europe they will have to think of getting rid of the nukes which might be suggested by the EU. ( Just my opinion)
Which obviously will not happen, that is what i meant . It will be too easy and over simplified because that is what the Nato led US will be dreaming of.

And in regards to your second quote, I think LKY also mentioned in the video I showed you that with or without "democracy" their economy won't fly.
And when I mentioned the USA, it will open up Russia a lot more, to work with EU and vice versa, yes a lot of thawing will need to be done, but it will be a lot smoother because the "threat" is no longer there at least for now, and pragmatically speaking if that happens Russia will try to expedite improving their relationship with EU.
Please also understand that with the current situation Russia is being pushed to work closer with China and India and East , South and South East Asia.

And to be honest, Russia and China's relationship haven't been that friendly as the West might seem to suggest. They share a border and when sharing a border between two great powers, conflicts will always be there.
They are only friends because of the threat from US.


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May 8 2022 04:12pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 8 May 2022 23:58)
Well someone mentioned that if Putin get ousted and the situation in Russia will be similar to Ukraine.
A possible pro Western President get elected and due to world peace and being assimilated into Europe they will have to think of getting rid of the nukes which might be suggested by the EU. ( Just my opinion)
Which obviously will not happen, that is what i meant . It will be too easy and over simplified because that is what the Nato led US will be dreaming of.

And in regards to your second quote, I think LKY also mentioned in the video I showed you that with or without "democracy" their economy won't fly.
And when I mentioned the USA, it will open up Russia a lot more, to work with EU and vice versa, yes a lot of thawing will need to be done, but it will be a lot smoother because the "threat" is no longer there at least for now, and pragmatically speaking if that happens Russia will try to expedite improving their relationship with EU.
Please also understand that with the current situation Russia is being pushed to work closer with China and India and East , South and South East Asia.

And to be honest, Russia and China's relationship haven't been that friendly as the West might seem to suggest. They share a border and when sharing a border between two great powers, conflicts will always be there.
They are only friends because of the threat from US.

Afaik, overpopulated, resource-hungry China has been ogling resource-rich, underpopulated Siberia for decades. "Nice empty land you have there, be a shame if somebody annexed it."

There is a sizable Chinese minority plus many Chinese guest workers and cross-country commuters in the far east parts of Russia near the Chinese border. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Chinese used Putin's playbook against him and went "the Chinese minority in Russia is under attack by the fascist leadership, we have to step in with our military to protect our people and denazify Russia"?

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May 8 2022 04:51pm
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Afaik, overpopulated, resource-hungry China has been ogling resource-rich, underpopulated Siberia for decades. "Nice empty land you have there, be a shame if somebody annexed it."

There is a sizable Chinese minority plus many Chinese guest workers and cross-country commuters in the far east parts of Russia near the Chinese border. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Chinese used Putin's playbook against him and went "the Chinese minority in Russia is under attack by the fascist leadership, we have to step in with our military to protect our people and denazify Russia"?


So true, we are perfectly aware these sneaky thieves are in ambush

China is #1 threat on that but they will never take a single m² of mother Russia, the US, Russia itself, and European nuclear powers, the whole west, will take care of this.
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May 8 2022 05:00pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 9 2022 12:12am)
Afaik, overpopulated, resource-hungry China has been ogling resource-rich, underpopulated Siberia for decades. "Nice empty land you have there, be a shame if somebody annexed it."

There is a sizable Chinese minority plus many Chinese guest workers and cross-country commuters in the far east parts of Russia near the Chinese border. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Chinese used Putin's playbook against him and went "the Chinese minority in Russia is under attack by the fascist leadership, we have to step in with our military to protect our people and denazify Russia"?


china are experts at getting what they want economically without firing a single shot like they did in africa

i think you made a post about china getting kicked out somewhere in africa a while ago, but overall i would say that they are pretty successful at exploiting resources without war

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 May 2022 06:12)
Afaik, overpopulated, resource-hungry China has been ogling resource-rich, underpopulated Siberia for decades. "Nice empty land you have there, be a shame if somebody annexed it."

There is a sizable Chinese minority plus many Chinese guest workers and cross-country commuters in the far east parts of Russia near the Chinese border. Wouldn't it be ironic if the Chinese used Putin's playbook against him and went "the Chinese minority in Russia is under attack by the fascist leadership, we have to step in with our military to protect our people and denazify Russia"?


No the Chinese will not do that at the moment.
The only core issue when it comes to sovereignty is Taiwan.

Perhaps you have watch too much of the media from your side of the Globe. The Chinese have not been interfering or invading lands or bombing anyone for the past 40 years.
Border conflicts and skirmish with India happens all the time ending up with no bullets fired and they went Kung Fu fighting with the Indians.

I can understand why a lot of people think that way.
As a matter of fact you remind me of this lady in this video.

This video was a talk between Ex Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis at the Cambridge forum when he was confronted with Question about China and her imperialistic approach.
He directly dealt with the Chinese in regards to a particular Greek Port that was bought by the Chinese.
The conditions and the contract that was being signed by the previous government and the Chinese was pretty horrendous.

There was a full lecture but I will just show you this particular part


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May 8 2022 05:07pm
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 8 May 2022 23:00)
china are experts at getting what they want economically without firing a single shot like they did in africa
i think you made a post about china getting kicked out somewhere in africa a while ago, but overall i would say that they are pretty successful at exploiting resources without war


It's true chinese exploited Africa using their corruptions tactics, but i don't think it will be possible with Siberia...Sounds like you already surrendered which is disapointing, i will not consider you as a real shitmulti Ampoo but i don't understand why you are not using your old account.

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