They will somehow want Russia to give up their conventional nukes which I don't think they will.
And furthermore there is a deep distrust between Russia and the West after so many years, I would think you would have understood it by now.

It's not about removing nuclear power of russia, but to have them as allies, even helping them to defend their gigantic territory.
It happened in 1991 it can happen again, like the second phase of a natural process.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 7 2022 08:13pm

I do not think the old guard would agree to it, and also the sudden collapse of Soviet Union was a terrible experience for the people of Russia.
Not only did they lose their "pride" Russia was basically a cowboy town in the 90s.

But first things first if I may in my own words, you need to separate these Entities or at least try to understand it.
Nato, USA, EURO and the West.

If USA is out of the picture, I think Russia will reconsider in all situations and work with EU.
That is my two cents worth.

All we hope is peace as soon as possible, then a new democratic path for Russia, after that it will be easy.
Russia joining Euro after some time, no problem. Usa no longer be a real enemy, everyone will be happy...

Going to be difficult for Russia to go on a new democratic path, with or without democracy their economy won't fly.
It's a cultural problem that needs to be solved by the Russians themselves.

And USA will never let go of their interest in the EU.
USA needs to have EU in their pocket so that they feel secure.
Just like Russia needed " Ukraine" to be in their pocket to feel secure.

The reasoning in the States is very straight forward and this is a bi partizan view.
The only way for USA to be safe is to retain her primacy in Military and Economy worldwide.

She cannot co exist with up and coming powers and she cannot co exist with a nation that have the ability to wipe her out with conventional nukes.

That's the only thing i'm hearing from you since this topic exists: that USA are some kind of evil power. Honestly i'm tired of it and it will be my last post about this.
EU is not US puppet and at least in US people don't go in jail for the rest of their life because of their political opinions or because they are saying crazy stuff on social medias/press.
We share same values, and centuries of trade.

Putin needs to ban smoking before the entire fleet is lost to smokers.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2022/05/06/another-russian-warship-is-burning-in-the-black-sea/?sh=35f483de7149

This post was edited by theCrossbones on May 7 2022 09:44pm

I never said it is a evil power I said it is a dominant power and what she is doing is in her own corporate interest, and the interest of her elites in her government.
Her in ability to accept and co exist with rising power have accumulated to a point where she has to stop the rise of other nations in order to maintain her primacy.

And I am also honestly tired of it when you seem to be saying that the Russians or at some point the Chinese are living in propaganda.
The propaganda machine works both ways.

We have such opinions in regards to the US because we have suffered and experienced her coercion and Geo political pressure which you might not have experience.
If you want to argue on moral grounds in regards to what is happening right now, perhaps not everyone will listen.

Maybe you are young and in experience , I am not being offensive when I say you are.
You might not have experience life enough or at the very least not in our part of the world.

The people of the United States are not evil, I have mentioned that some of them are the kindest and most compassionate people I have met as compared to some of the Chinese that I have met in my line of work.
But then again , you are so immersed into your so called " Moral Obligations, Similar Values " That you fail to accept there are people who are different from you , in culture, religion , creed and race.

You seem to possess a superiority complex and perhaps a western version of moral authority that belittle others who are not from your side of the globe.
Such condescending characteristic is perhaps what is wrong with the world, why wars happen and why we cannot co exist the way we wanted to.

Because you passionately feel that your values are infallible and your political dogma is untainted.

I do not want to be crude and uncouth, that being said a particular English politician whom I kind of detest, said this about relationship between the US and the EU.

" The relationship between USA and EU is like that of Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinsky"

This post was edited by Hamsterbaby on May 7 2022 11:25pm

bluh bluh no one cares

No way imho. The entire Russian leadership consists of hawkish nationalists who hate the West. For example, Nikolai Patrushev, the guy who might hold power for a couple of days while Putin rehabs from surgery in the coming days, is a former FSB director and Putin's chief foreign policy advisor. He's described as a hardliner, as brutal, cunning and ruthless. Basically a worse version of Putin.

There imho won't be a noteworthy change in Russian policy until the situation becomes so bad for Russia that the country's entire current inner circle of power can be kicked out.