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Quote (Norlander @ 7 May 2022 22:25)
Is there a photo of him holding a pair of socks and United Russia greeting card?


The second picture could be fake/doctored IMO, but well it's very sadly ironic, was posted in comment section of the first one with "guy on the left?"
I want this "war" to ends as soon as possible. Americans are helping Ukraine and it's OK for me, the only thing they should not do is to prolongate the conflict (not sure how they could).
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May 7 2022 05:01pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 8 May 2022 01:36)
The second picture could be fake/doctored IMO, but well it's very sadly ironic, was posted in comment section of the first one with "guy on the left?"
I want this "war" to ends as soon as possible. Americans are helping Ukraine and it's OK for me, the only thing they should not do is to prolongate the conflict (not sure how they could).


Helping with money doesn't work for Ukraine, they are easy to steal. However, even humanitarian aid won't do while being stolen and then sold. When the war comes to an end as every war does I wonder where all these guns and hungry people will go.
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May 7 2022 05:18pm
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Helping with money doesn't work for Ukraine, they are easy to steal. However, even humanitarian aid won't do while being stolen and then sold. When the war comes to an end as every war does I wonder where all these guns and hungry people will go.


It's OverMediatized, there's journalists and concerned soldiers, citizen everywhere, it's also high-treason. Super risky but not impossible... Food is hardly traceable. I think there's some control over the money used.
About weapons... These can easily be identified, may have serial numbers and stuff, and above everything: intel of like 50+ maybe more countries are monitoring black markets.
Even storing the weapons to sell them later is super risky IMO. Finally it's not easy to put a Caesar or an Howitzer into the pocket.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 8 May 2022 02:18)
It's OverMediatized, there's journalists and concerned soldiers, citizen everywhere, it's also high-treason. Super risky but not impossible... Food is hardly traceable. I think there's some control over the money used.
About weapons... These can easily be identified, may have serial numbers and stuff, and above everything: intel of like 50+ maybe more countries are monitoring black markets.
Even storing the weapons to sell them later is super risky IMO. Finally it's not easy to put a Caesar or an Howitzer into the pocket.


In a perfect world. In my world henchman of Jewish oligarch Kolomoisky, the one who's financing Azov can do with this money aid whatever he pleases. Deputies and city majors will feast upon humanitarian aid selling it to the poor. Psychos and junkees with AK-47s will rape, steal and kill in an endless street fight untill there's nothing left. And then they will turn their eyes west. They will be painted black as nazies, barbarians, as a threat. Mass media will try to make you forget that you were supporting them. Will you?

This post was edited by Norlander on May 7 2022 05:56pm
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In a perfect world. In my world henchman of Jewish oligarch Kolomoisky, the one who's financing Azov can do with this money aid whatever he pleases. Deputies and city majors will feast upon humanitarian aid selling it to the poor. Psychos and junkees with AK-47s will rape, steal and kill in an endless street fight untill there's nothing left. And then they will turn their eyes west. They will be painted black as nazies, barbarians, as a threat. Mass media will try to make you forget that you were supporting them. Will you?


It's not about nazism, but nationalism, and you know it.
Ukraine, even recently, developped anti-Russia propaganda to get free of the ancestral invader, and the trick for Russia is to say they are nazi. Doing much copium on this Bandera.
So you can cherry pick up 1 picture with a buch a far right Azov from 2014 and say all ukrainians soldiers are nazis; It's false. Even in Wiki it explains it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

According to some researchers, Ukrainian far-right and ultra-nationalist groups are not necessarily anti-Semitic, as the term "far right" might more likely imply in the Western European context. The Ukrainian far-right and ultra-nationalist groups are characterized as anti-Russian instead, although anti-Semitism cannot be excluded in all cases
Anton Shekhovtsov, an expert on Russia's connections to Europe's far-right, told the Financial Times that though it was originally formed by leadership of a neo-nazi group, "It is certain that Azov [the battalion] has depoliticised itself. Its history linked to the far-right movement is pretty irrelevant today.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 8 May 2022 03:27)
It's not about nazism, but nationalism, and you know it.
Ukraine, even recently, developped anti-Russia propaganda to get free of the ancestral invader, and the trick for Russia is to say they are nazi. Doing much copium on this Bandera.
So you can cherry pick up 1 picture with a buch a far right Azov from 2014 and say all ukrainians soldiers are nazis; It's false. Even in Wiki it explains it:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azov_Battalion

According to some researchers, Ukrainian far-right and ultra-nationalist groups are not necessarily anti-Semitic, as the term "far right" might more likely imply in the Western European context. The Ukrainian far-right and ultra-nationalist groups are characterized as anti-Russian instead, although anti-Semitism cannot be excluded in all cases
Anton Shekhovtsov, an expert on Russia's connections to Europe's far-right, told the Financial Times that though it was originally formed by leadership of a neo-nazi group, "It is certain that Azov [the battalion] has depoliticised itself. Its history linked to the far-right movement is pretty irrelevant today.

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Nationalists are using their own symbolics while nazi Azov is using Wolfsangel as it's emblem, simple as that.
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May 7 2022 06:49pm
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Nationalists are using their own symbolics while nazi Azov is using Wolfsangel as it's emblem, simple as that.


If putin is ousted, is there any chance he get replaced by someone who want to open the door to the west ?
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If putin is ousted, is there any chance he get replaced by someone who want to open the door to the west ?


Alexei Navalny, unless he's a paid Pied Piper

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 8 May 2022 08:49)
If putin is ousted, is there any chance he get replaced by someone who want to open the door to the west ?


I don't think so, because they tried before.
Just like Serbia.
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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 8 May 2022 01:03)
I don't think so, because they tried before.
Just like Serbia.


How about "just like Ukraine" ?
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