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May 6 2022 11:09am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 May 2022 14:35)
What exactly do you mean by that?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-maddison-2020?time=1920..2018
GDP per capita (crude but quite effective measure of wealth) over time, adjusted for inflation and exchange rates:
https://i.imgur.com/XV5iP9w.png

The "Western Offshoots"-category is 80+% the United States. As you can see, the development in the US and Western Europe was largely identical. Europe took a couple more years after 1945 to get going and lags, on average, by 5 years, but the curves are largely in lockstep.

Another thing that immediately stands out is the brutal decline for Eastern Europe during the 90s. I think we in the West underestimate how traumatic this period was for the Russian people, how much the decline of their power in the fields of military and foreign policy coincided with a dramatic worsening of the material conditions of wide swaths of the Russian population. I think this period is key in understanding why so many Russians are receptive to jingoism and crude propaganda. In their minds, weakness of the Russian state is associated with economic misery.


Per capita GDP is calculated by dividing total GDP by a country's population, and this figure is frequently cited when assessing the standard of living. There are a number of adjustments to GDP used by economists to improve the explanatory power of the statistic, and economists have also developed a number of alternative metrics to measure the standard of living.
In economics, the Gini coefficient, also the Gini index and the Gini ratio, is a measure of statistical dispersion intended to represent the income inequality or the wealth inequality within a nation or a social group.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Development_Index
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gini_coefficient

When you see this, you realize that GDP per capita is not really good to know the well beaing of a country: Social instability is the common factor, once it reach a certain stage, even economics are suffering from it.
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May 6 2022 11:53am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 04:35pm)
What exactly do you mean by that?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-maddison-2020?time=1920..2018
GDP per capita (crude but quite effective measure of wealth) over time, adjusted for inflation and exchange rates:
https://i.imgur.com/XV5iP9w.png

The "Western Offshoots"-category is 80+% the United States. As you can see, the development in the US and Western Europe was largely identical. Europe took a couple more years after 1945 to get going and lags, on average, by 5 years, but the curves are largely in lockstep.

Another thing that immediately stands out is the brutal decline for Eastern Europe during the 90s. I think we in the West underestimate how traumatic this period was for the Russian people, how much the decline of their power in the fields of military and foreign policy coincided with a dramatic worsening of the material conditions of wide swaths of the Russian population. I think this period is key in understanding why so many Russians are receptive to jingoism and crude propaganda. In their minds, weakness of the Russian state is associated with economic misery.


what i mean is that the states do not help or donate, their banks cashed in on every crisis, they even entered WW1 because they couldnt afford the european allies to lose the war

and since the petrodollar exists the united states have the rest of the world finance their insane spending, probably the biggest geopolitical masterclass of all time

of course many russians fondly remember the old days, millions crashed from decent jobs into extreme poverty

i mean even in eastern germany you will find people who regret the unification, because they did well enough in the eastern german state
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May 6 2022 12:05pm
Quote (Norlander @ 6 May 2022 17:10)
It doesn't change the fact that the leftovers of this brigade are doomed.

They probably are. Still, this twitter account is trying really hard to paint the situation of the Ukrainian army in the darkest colors possible. A biased source is not necessarily a bad source, but we should be aware of its bias.



Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 6 May 2022 17:18)
My country's GDP in South East Asia :thumbsup:
https://i.imgur.com/ctLZ7edl.jpg

Oh, I'm aware of how well Singapore is doing. It should be noted that cities always do better in terms of GDP per capita compared to rural regions, so the performance of city states in such comparisons is somewhat inflated.


Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 6 May 2022 17:35)
I have no idea, supposedly my country is still considered developing and Third world :P

Fun fact: the German government is still paying over €600m in foreign aid to China per year. The OECD still considers China a developing country.



Quote (ferdia @ 6 May 2022 17:29)
I wonder when wiki upgraded to developed/advanced. does it go straight from 3rd world to developed ? is developed "2nd world" ?

What Is the Third World?

"Third World" is an outdated and derogatory phrase that has been used historically to describe a class of economically developing nations. It is part of a four-part segmentation that was used to describe the world’s economies by economic status. Third World falls behind First World and Second World but was ahead of Fourth World, though Fourth-World countries were hardly recognized at all. Today, the preferred terminology is a developing nation, an underdeveloped country, or a low- and middle-income country (LMIC).

In economics, the term "emerging nation/country" is also used quite frequently to describe those countries which are a step above the poor, largely agrarian countries but also a step below the industrialized first world countries - countries like China, Vietnam, Brazil and such.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 6 2022 12:11pm
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May 6 2022 12:20pm
In Ile-De-France (the region which include paris and nearest areas) the gdp per capita is like 70-75k $ (12 millions people)
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Entered service 2019
https://www.military-today.com/tanks/t90m.htm
early retirement: this invasion is a such a waste.

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on May 6 2022 12:23pm
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Quote (ferdia @ 7 May 2022 00:49)
thats hilarious. And yes, in situations like this it is the educated that never come back. this brain drain occurs in all areas of conflict.


Shit, I got drunk last night just woke up.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 6 May 2022)


=> Rofl
VLADIMIR PUTIN is searching for prisoners with IT skills to replace the hundreds of thousands of professionals that have fled the country since Russia invaded Ukraine in February.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1605881/Russia-exodus-IT-industry-western-sanctions-Russian-prisons-forced-labour-Vladimir-Putin


You are 7 days behind, late starter

Quote (Norlander @ 29 Apr 2022)
Digital concentration camp.
Russian FSIN (Federal Penetentiary Service) to include prisoners with IT-skills to work remotely

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/14489179


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Quote (Norlander @ 7 May 2022 05:20)
You are 7 days behind, late starter


Great, 80 days already, i read that there's offers for "mobilization experts"
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/06/russian-firms-seek-mobilization-experts-as-officials-deny-mass-recruitment-plans-reports-a77605
Maybe this time they will try to prepare things properly before the big call.
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May 7 2022 01:06am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 7 May 2022 09:01)
Great, 80 days already, i read that there's offers for "mobilization experts"
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/05/06/russian-firms-seek-mobilization-experts-as-officials-deny-mass-recruitment-plans-reports-a77605
Maybe this time they will try to prepare things properly before the big call.


We'll know this in two days. It may be truth or it may be Ukrainian trolls posting these job offers from hijacked HH accounts. I'll do a research when I come home.

This post was edited by Norlander on May 7 2022 01:13am
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May 7 2022 01:27am
Quote (Norlander @ 7 May 2022 09:06)
We'll know this in two days. It may be truth or it may be Ukrainian trolls posting these job offers from hijacked HH accounts. I'll do a research when I come home.


That sounds about as plausible as the previous theory that "the Ukrainian fascists tortured and killed their own people and then placed their dead bodies in mass graves around Bucha and Irpin to discredit the Russians".

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 7 2022 01:28am
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 7 May 2022 10:27)
That sounds about as plausible as the previous theory that "the Ukrainian fascists tortured and killed their own people and then placed their dead bodies in mass graves around Bucha and Irpin to discredit the Russians".


Well, if the accounts posting this will turn out to be fresh-made this would indicate it's a fake.
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