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That was then, what about now? Germany is a unified economic powerhouse and Russia is not strong enough to dominate Western Europe.
Are you sure the current interests still align is it that residue from cold war beliefs.

Well, Russia has very little to offer besides gas and oil. The question for Europe is not if it wants to replace US hegemony with Russian hegemony, it's whether it wants to become more independent from the US.



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It would dominate Eurasia and thus the world.

The Heartland Theory to which you're alluding is 120 years old and obsolete. And no, even an alliance between Europe and Russia would not dominate China. Also, South Asia would keep doing its thing.


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For any one that understands Ukrainian or German (subtitles) here is a video of what reality on the front in Donbas looks like for many Ukrainians.

https://twitter.com/DerHaidWachst/status/1522503896844931072

In essence, remnants of the 785th battalion, 3rd company are speaking up about their condition I think the speaker says this is as of May 4th. Basically deployed with minimal gear, an AK, 1-2 grenades, very poor protective gear, etc having to go against much more devastating arms (artillery, tanks, bombers, machine guns, etc).

Sad stuff really. Basically throwing warm bodies to surely get wiped out by heavier weapons. Not entirely sure if this video was made for a reason to surrender or desert but i would guess one of the 2.

Just to add some context since his twitter profile is mostly in German: that dude is doing nothing but posting anti-Ukraine propaganda all day, every day. Doesn't necessarily mean that he's a Russian bot or that the stuff he's posting is fake - but he is definitely extremely one-sided and biased against Ukraine. I would treat his source with a heavy grain of salt.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on May 6 2022 09:02am
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May 6 2022 09:08am
From themoscowtimes :

Russian consumers are increasingly unhappy, but their discontent is being frozen in depression rather than manifested in social protest. A proverbial battle is being fought between the refrigerator and the television set: people's living conditions vs. state propaganda. As we know, television is winning. Even the young woman giving the weather forecast on Russian television talks about Syria. The Russian consumer forgets that he hasn't eaten yet; his stomach fills with pride at Russia's bombing campaign, which is a substitute for missing food imports. Angus Deaton, the British economist who was awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Economics advanced the idea that happiness is an important factor in economics. That fits with the current state of Russia: As long as one can find happiness on the television screen, one can get by with decreasing amounts of food.

Some new polling data from the independent Levada Center pollster suggests that the public is not exactly content. Seventy-seven percent of the population agrees that the country is in crisis. A total of 38 percent "absolutely agree" with that characterization — a 10-point increase since March. A poll conducted over the summer by the Institute for Social Analysis and Forecasting (ISAF) and published in September found that 72 percent of respondents have concluded that there is a crisis. Those most likely to characterize the situation in this way are the elderly, the highly educated, and those living in industrial regions and large cities where the service sector is now beginning to decline. But people still tend to blame the West for the crisis, rather than their own government. Thirty-four percent of Russians blame their problems on external factors. Most believe the government is doing an "average" job, not many describe its performance as bad.

Overall, people are in no mood to protest. Understanding that the country is in crisis, and that there is nothing he can do about it, the average Russian chooses to sit and wait and stare at the television screen. As recently as this spring, according to the ISAF survey, the same person was much more active, looking for a second job, acquiring new skills, calculating survival strategies. But now he is frozen in immobility. This freezing game is quite consistent with the perennial condition of the Russian labor market: a part-time working week, frozen or reduced salaries, and declining productivity — but low official unemployment statistics. How will the situation develop? Over the long term, we will most likely witness the erosion of Russia's social pyramid. Those below middle class — who constitute the social and electoral base of the current regime — will decline into poverty. They will not rebel, however — the ruling class will hand out some goodies during the next election campaign in exchange for their votes.

The middle class will move a notch down: people will stop traveling abroad, work just to feed themselves, cut corners to pay for housing and utilities, and hold onto their old cars. How can they protest against the regime that once allowed them to prosper? That would show lack of respect. Besides, they'd rather think about how to make a living than run around the streets waving some placards that no one understands. They'd better vote for the hand that feeds them or there might be nothing to eat at all. The upper classes are quite comfortable and have no plans to lose what they enjoy. Unlike other parts of the economy, the raw material sector that they've been traditionally clinging to for their sustenance is breaking even and sometimes even making a profit. One can live in a state of depression like this for years. And we are not talking just about economic depression, but about political depression, social depression, and most importantly a state of mind. If Russia's leaders only left the country alone and stopped imposing all their initiatives and regulations, it would gradually emerge from the crisis. But there is little hope of that happening. So keep your eyes on the contents of the refrigerator and the television.

Andrei Kolesnikov is a senior associate and the chair of the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program at the Carnegie Moscow Center. This comment originally appeared on Carnegie Moscow's Eurasia Outlook blog

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I would tend to accept the above at face value. I was not looking for this, i wanted to substantiate the comment above re: russia has not much to offer other then gas and oil. i.e. they dont make good fridges. funny how in looking for something anecdotal i found this. always the way!

finally i did find this, hopefully the link is allowed: https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2022/03/russia-gas-oil-exports-sanctions/

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 May 2022 18:02)
Just to add some context since his twitter profile is mostly in German: that dude is doing nothing but posting anti-Ukraine propaganda all day, every day. Doesn't necessarily mean that he's a Russian bot or that the stuff he's posting is fake - but he is definitely extremely one-sided and biased against Ukraine. I would treat his source with a heavy grain of salt.


It doesn't change the fact that the leftovers of this brigade are doomed.
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Quote (ferdia @ 6 May 2022 18:08)
From themoscowtimes :

Russian consumers are increasingly unhappy, but their discontent is being frozen in depression rather than manifested in social protest. A proverbial battle is being fought between the refrigerator and the television set: people's living conditions vs. state propaganda. As we know, television is winning. Even the young woman giving the weather forecast on Russian television talks about Syria. The Russian consumer forgets that he hasn't eaten yet; his stomach fills with pride at Russia's bombing campaign, which is a substitute for missing food imports. Angus Deaton, the British economist who was awarded this year's Nobel Prize in Economics advanced the idea that happiness is an important factor in economics. That fits with the current state of Russia: As long as one can find happiness on the television screen, one can get by with decreasing amounts of food.

Some new polling data from the independent Levada Center pollster suggests that the public is not exactly content. Seventy-seven percent of the population agrees that the country is in crisis. A total of 38 percent "absolutely agree" with that characterization — a 10-point increase since March. A poll conducted over the summer by the Institute for Social Analysis and Forecasting (ISAF) and published in September found that 72 percent of respondents have concluded that there is a crisis. Those most likely to characterize the situation in this way are the elderly, the highly educated, and those living in industrial regions and large cities where the service sector is now beginning to decline. But people still tend to blame the West for the crisis, rather than their own government. Thirty-four percent of Russians blame their problems on external factors. Most believe the government is doing an "average" job, not many describe its performance as bad.

Overall, people are in no mood to protest. Understanding that the country is in crisis, and that there is nothing he can do about it, the average Russian chooses to sit and wait and stare at the television screen. As recently as this spring, according to the ISAF survey, the same person was much more active, looking for a second job, acquiring new skills, calculating survival strategies. But now he is frozen in immobility. This freezing game is quite consistent with the perennial condition of the Russian labor market: a part-time working week, frozen or reduced salaries, and declining productivity — but low official unemployment statistics. How will the situation develop? Over the long term, we will most likely witness the erosion of Russia's social pyramid. Those below middle class — who constitute the social and electoral base of the current regime — will decline into poverty. They will not rebel, however — the ruling class will hand out some goodies during the next election campaign in exchange for their votes.

The middle class will move a notch down: people will stop traveling abroad, work just to feed themselves, cut corners to pay for housing and utilities, and hold onto their old cars. How can they protest against the regime that once allowed them to prosper? That would show lack of respect. Besides, they'd rather think about how to make a living than run around the streets waving some placards that no one understands. They'd better vote for the hand that feeds them or there might be nothing to eat at all. The upper classes are quite comfortable and have no plans to lose what they enjoy. Unlike other parts of the economy, the raw material sector that they've been traditionally clinging to for their sustenance is breaking even and sometimes even making a profit. One can live in a state of depression like this for years. And we are not talking just about economic depression, but about political depression, social depression, and most importantly a state of mind. If Russia's leaders only left the country alone and stopped imposing all their initiatives and regulations, it would gradually emerge from the crisis. But there is little hope of that happening. So keep your eyes on the contents of the refrigerator and the television.

Andrei Kolesnikov is a senior associate and the chair of the Russian Domestic Politics and Political Institutions Program at the Carnegie Moscow Center. This comment originally appeared on Carnegie Moscow's Eurasia Outlook blog

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I would tend to accept the above at face value. I was not looking for this, i wanted to substantiate the comment above re: russia has not much to offer other then gas and oil. i.e. they dont make good fridges. funny how in looking for something anecdotal i found this. always the way!


You've missed the point. TV set winning over the fridge is a saying which means propaganda is winning over a common sense. We produce fridges, low to premium. It's all about filling it with decent food.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 6 May 2022 22:35)
What exactly do you mean by that?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/gdp-per-capita-maddison-2020?time=1920..2018
GDP per capita (crude but quite effective measure of wealth) over time, adjusted for inflation and exchange rates:
https://i.imgur.com/XV5iP9w.png

The "Western Offshoots"-category is 80+% the United States. As you can see, the development in the US and Western Europe was largely identical. Europe took a couple more years after 1945 to get going and lags, on average, by 5 years, but the curves are largely in lockstep.

Another thing that immediately stands out is the brutal decline for Eastern Europe during the 90s. I think we in the West underestimate how traumatic this period was for the Russian people, how much the decline of their power in the fields of military and foreign policy coincided with a dramatic worsening of the material conditions of wide swaths of the Russian population. I think this period is key in understanding why so many Russians are receptive to jingoism and crude propaganda. In their minds, weakness of the Russian state is associated with economic misery.


My country's GDP in South East Asia :thumbsup:

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 11:02am)
Just to add some context since his twitter profile is mostly in German: that dude is doing nothing but posting anti-Ukraine propaganda all day, every day. Doesn't necessarily mean that he's a Russian bot or that the stuff he's posting is fake - but he is definitely extremely one-sided and biased against Ukraine. I would treat his source with a heavy grain of salt.


Yeah he's probably selective in his posting or whatever, i don't follow that account just seen he shared the video. I don't think the video is fake though. It's hard for me to believe what they are saying is fake when Russia is literally throwing hundreds of artillery rounds at the Donbas on a daily basis and western supply routes are being bombed and cut off on a daily basis.

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 6 2022 04:18pm)
My country's GDP in South East Asia :thumbsup:

https://i.imgur.com/ctLZ7edl.jpg


dont be silly, your living in a 3rd world country, a dictatorship, how can you possibly have technology and such GDP!

:hug:

disclaimer: this post is sarcasm (yes some ppl in here struggle sometimes alot).

I wonder when wiki upgraded to developed/advanced. does it go straight from 3rd world to developed ? is developed "2nd world" ?

What Is the Third World?

"Third World" is an outdated and derogatory phrase that has been used historically to describe a class of economically developing nations. It is part of a four-part segmentation that was used to describe the world’s economies by economic status. Third World falls behind First World and Second World but was ahead of Fourth World, though Fourth-World countries were hardly recognized at all. Today, the preferred terminology is a developing nation, an underdeveloped country, or a low- and middle-income country (LMIC).

and another link : https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/third-world.asp

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Quote (ferdia @ 6 May 2022 18:29)
dont be silly, your living in a 3rd world country, a dictatorship, how can you possibly have technology and such GDP!

:hug:

disclaimer: this post is sarcasm (yes some ppl in here struggle sometimes alot).

I wonder when wiki upgraded to developed/advanced. does it go straight from 3rd world to developed ? is developed "2nd world" ?


Revisit your post with my remarks :)
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Quote (ferdia @ 6 May 2022 23:29)
dont be silly, your living in a 3rd world country, a dictatorship, how can you possibly have technology and such GDP!

:hug:

disclaimer: this post is sarcasm (yes some ppl in here struggle sometimes alot).

I wonder when wiki upgraded to developed/advanced. does it go straight from 3rd world to developed ? is developed "2nd world" ?

What Is the Third World?

"Third World" is an outdated and derogatory phrase that has been used historically to describe a class of economically developing nations. It is part of a four-part segmentation that was used to describe the world’s economies by economic status. Third World falls behind First World and Second World but was ahead of Fourth World, though Fourth-World countries were hardly recognized at all. Today, the preferred terminology is a developing nation, an underdeveloped country, or a low- and middle-income country (LMIC).

and another link : https://www.investopedia.com/terms/t/third-world.asp


I have no idea, supposedly my country is still considered developing and Third world :P
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