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May 6 2022 02:38am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 08:13am)
I don't think Russia would be interested in that, but okay. Who would definitely not be interested in an Euro-Russian alliance dominated by German-Russian relations is France. ^^
The French love the EU as a vehicle for their political and foreign policy influence (with Germany paying for it), just as the German industry loves the EU as a vehicle to economically dominate the continent and and open up new sales markets. Adding another heavyweight to this mix would make the whole union a lot more unstable and complicated than it already is anyway.


Very true. Smells like history all over again :)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 08:13am)
So, granting the Russian side access to our military technology and basing our militaries on Russian tech, so that our ability to fight hinges on Russian supplies?
Doesn't sound like a smart idea if you ask me.


Kinda like the same with US right now. Does that sound smarter, I am asking you :)

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 08:13am)
I don't really see why integration with Russia should be preferable to integration with the US. The US have the stronger and more modern military and they have the stronger and more diversified economy. The only things Russia has to offer are oil, gas and empty land, the latter of which is uninteresting these days; we're no longer thirsting for Lebensraum. ;)


Because the rewards are only global dominance instead of playing second fiddle to the US :)
Hitler did not want to trade with the Soviet Union because he believed it was controlled by Jews and trade with serve the Jewish agenda for world domination, thus to aquire the resources of Russia he has (according to this world view) no choice but to go to war.
If you take that out of the equation, indeed it will be like Lebensraum but through peace and trade instead of war :)
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May 6 2022 02:50am
UNCONFIRMED reports made on Thursday, May 5 suggest that the Russian Navy ‘Admiral Makarov’ has been sunk by Neptune missiles launched by Ukraine.

According to information released by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, the Russian frigate ‘Admiral Makarov’, which was believed to be at the Sevastopol naval base, was hit and sunk by Ukrainian Neptune missiles – the same ones that sunk the Russian flagship missile cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea, off the coast of Ukraine, on April 14.

Rumours circulating on social media suggest the missile-frigate Admiral Makarov, which is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class, is an important asset to Russian war efforts and if sunk would be a huge blow to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/05/06/russian-navy-warship-admiral-makarov-reportedly-sunk-by-ukrainian-missiles/
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Quote (HeLiCaL @ 6 May 2022 10:19)
uh, apologizing means both weakness AND being sane & measured at the same time ?

the fuck is that double think ?


Where exactly do you see a contradiction?


- Acknowledging the outrageous comments of his foreign minister shows a loss of control. His underling Lawrow fucked up and big boss Putin had to step in to save the situation.

- Feeling the need to apologize so that relations with Israel don't turn sour shows that Putin deems a good relationship with Israel crucial, it implicitly acknowledges some degree of Russian dependence on Israel when it comes to the diplomatic stage and the situation in the middle east. He indirectly admits that he/Russia needs Israel's cooperation.

- Last but not least, caring about these medium-to-long term aspects hints at Putin not being someone who's in a short-sighted idgaf-mode; it shows that Russian leadership do not plan around the prospect of being an international pariah in the long run. (Like they would if they had already internally decided to use nukes or WMDs.)

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May 6 2022 03:35am
Quote (Lebanon961 @ 6 May 2022 10:38)
Kinda like the same with US right now. Does that sound smarter, I am asking you :)

Our military dependence on the US is history-based, after the world war, the European countries had no other choice than to pick between either the US or the Soviet Union as their overlords.
Despite occasional conflicts of interest, the economic and geostrategic interests of Europe and the US are quite well aligned... well enough that the Euros have made only very limited attempts at developing their own military. Europe is perfectly happy to lean on US military strength for its defense. In fact, both Obama and Trump were basically begging Europe to invest more into their own military and become less dependent on the US.

Side note: just look at the divergent development of cold war Germany. After the war, the Americans invested billions into rebuilding West Germany (and the rest of Europe) with the Marshall Plan/European Recovery Act. In East Germany, the Soviets dismantled countless factories and shipped them off to Russia. After 45 years of being controlled, allied and/or associated with the US, West Germany was a prospering, free democracy in 1990 when the Iron Curtain fell. East Germany was a rundown, unfree police state with pervasive surveillance and a collapsing economy. (And a big fat wall which was necessary to stop its own population from mass emigration to the West.)



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Because the rewards are only global dominance instead of playing second fiddle to the US :)

Even if, hypothetically, Europe turned on the Americans and teamed up with Russia, this Euro-Russian alliance would still not come anywhere close to being strong enough to dominate either the US or China. Russia is a minnow on the global stage execpt for three things: land mass, natural gas reserves and slaughtering innocent civilians. You overestimate the additional weight that the rest of Europe would gain from Russia.

Generally speaking, dreams of Germany and Russia teaming up in a quest for global dominance is not something that would go over well in the rest of the world (particularly Poland :lol: )
Also, like I've said, I just don't believe that Russia would ever be interested in such alliance on equal footing, without the Kremlin (and the Kremlin alone) ultimately calling the shots.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 11:35am)
Our military dependence on the US is history-based, after the world war, the European countries had no other choice than to pick between either the US or the Soviet Union as their overlords.
Despite occasional conflicts of interest, the economic and geostrategic interests of Europe and the US are quite well aligned... well enough that the Euros have made only very limited attempts at developing their own military. Europe is perfectly happy to lean on US military strength for its defense. In fact, both Obama and Trump were basically begging Europe to invest more into their own military and become less dependent on the US.

Side note: just look at the divergent development of cold war Germany. After the war, the Americans invested billions into rebuilding West Germany (and the rest of Europe) with the Marshall Plan/European Recovery Act. In East Germany, the Soviets dismantled countless factories and shipped them off to Russia. After 45 years of being controlled, allied and/or associated with the US, West Germany was a prospering, free democracy in 1990 when the Iron Curtain fell. East Germany was a rundown, unfree police state with pervasive surveillance and a collapsing economy. (And a big fat wall which was necessary to stop its own population from mass emigration to the West.)




Even if, hypothetically, Europe turned on the Americans and teamed up with Russia, this Euro-Russian alliance would still not come anywhere close to being strong enough to dominate either the US or China. Russia is a minnow on the global stage execpt for three things: land mass, natural gas reserves and slaughtering innocent civilians. You overestimate the additional weight that the rest of Europe would gain from Russia.

Generally speaking, dreams of Germany and Russia teaming up in a quest for global dominance is not something that would go over well in the rest of the world (particularly Poland :lol: )
Also, like I've said, I just don't believe that Russia would ever be interested in such alliance on equal footing, without the Kremlin (and the Kremlin alone) ultimately calling the shots.


exactly, the americans invested

i have read repeatedly how the marshall plan was called the best business of all time

yes the money was needed and especially for germany you can call it a win-win, but in the end the european rebuild financed the american standard of living after the war
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May 6 2022 04:14am
Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 6 May 2022 10:00)
exactly, the americans invested

i have read repeatedly how the marshall plan was called the best business of all time

yes the money was needed and especially for germany you can call it a win-win, but in the end the european rebuild financed the american standard of living after the war


and after 70 years living is better in EU (for the average) and we have nuclear power...



Quote (Ironfister @ 6 May 2022 08:50)
UNCONFIRMED reports made on Thursday, May 5 suggest that the Russian Navy ‘Admiral Makarov’ has been sunk by Neptune missiles launched by Ukraine.

According to information released by the Ukrainian Ministry of Defence, the Russian frigate ‘Admiral Makarov’, which was believed to be at the Sevastopol naval base, was hit and sunk by Ukrainian Neptune missiles – the same ones that sunk the Russian flagship missile cruiser Moskva in the Black Sea, off the coast of Ukraine, on April 14.

Rumours circulating on social media suggest the missile-frigate Admiral Makarov, which is the third, last and most modern vessel in her class, is an important asset to Russian war efforts and if sunk would be a huge blow to Russian President Vladimir Putin.

https://euroweeklynews.com/2022/05/06/russian-navy-warship-admiral-makarov-reportedly-sunk-by-ukrainian-missiles/



putin must be really pissed off

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May 6 2022 05:08am
China sends 19 aircrafts (4 bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons) into Taiwan’s air defence zone

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/06/china-sends-19-aircraft-into-taiwans-air-defence-zone

Солнечному миру- нет, нет, нет!
Ядерному взрыву- да, да, да!



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May 6 2022 05:48am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 6 2022 11:14am)
putin must be really pissed off


Re; sinking of latest ship, yea he is probably going to do something tit for tat, if he can. can you remind me what the response was to the sinking of the other ship (no not the denial, what did russia do to tit for tat, as i am curious to see if we will see the same reaction again).

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ May 6 2022 11:44am)


that article states:

1. A total of 3,880,679 Russians traveled for work, business, tourism and private reasons between January and March.
2. It’s unclear how many of these Russians have since returned to their home country.

I mean this logic can be applied to every country on the planet. I could say:

1. A total of 92,000,000 Americans traveled for work, business, tourism and private reasons in 2021.
2. It's unclear how many Americans have since returned to their home country.

in times of war i expect ppl to move away from the region but this article is not very strong on detail.

also

Quote (Norlander @ May 6 2022 12:08pm)
China sends 19 aircrafts (4 bombers capable of carrying nuclear weapons) into Taiwan’s air defence zone

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/sep/06/china-sends-19-aircraft-into-taiwans-air-defence-zone


That article is more then 7 months old.

finally, whats he singing No and Yes to ?

This post was edited by ferdia on May 6 2022 05:56am
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Quote (ferdia @ 6 May 2022 14:48)
that article states:

1. A total of 3,880,679 Russians traveled for work, business, tourism and private reasons between January and March.
2. It’s unclear how many of these Russians have since returned to their home country.

I mean this logic can be applied to every country on the planet. I could say:

1. A total of 92,000,000 Americans traveled for work, business, tourism and private reasons in 2021.
2. It's unclear how many Americans have since returned to their home country.

in times of war i expect ppl to move away from the region but this article is not very strong on detail.

also



That article is more then 7 months old.


Tried to find a better source and was taken by The Guardian.
Here you go

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/world/2022/05/06/Taiwan-jets-scramble-as-China-air-force-enters-air-defense-zone
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