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Apr 8 2021 07:30pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ 8 Apr 2021 21:19)
I'm down for ending wars for profit/oil/whatever. Even down with reforming the pharma industry.

I'm not down with banning booze. We've already seen what an abject failure prohibition was, and how much of a failure the drug war has been. Legalize it all, regulate it to allow for safer product, tax it, and put money into treatment and rehabilitation, instead of incarceration. My alcoholism is my problem, and no one else's. It's not my place to tell anyone they can't have their after dinner glass of red.

oh it wasnt a personal inference by any means, hope it didnt come across like that. i think people should have the ability to do recreational drugs and drink or whatever if they wish (not that i encourage it). big pharmaceuticals unfortunately have created such a ridiculous situation where people are abusing the worst drugs possible (that you cant even argue has medical benefits beyond ultra numbing) because you cant get a dime bag or a zigzag without fearing for the worst. the war on drugs is a total fail and unfortunately most of politicians who started it are still in power.
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Apr 8 2021 08:08pm
ppl itt acting like having a knee on your neck for 10mins is nothing

also them: https://youtu.be/dDoWY3B09_8?t=286
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 8 2021 08:23pm)
yes yes, let's help them by giving them a few decades in prison while their households lose the prime earnings from that person as well as parent and sibling figures in children's lives. that will fix it.

i get being against soft on drugs policies, but the idea that mass incarceration will help people and cure these areas is one of the stupidest things ive read all week. bravo!


Doing nothing and letting the problem completely spiral out of control is even better policy bravo sir!

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Quote (mutatedbeaver @ Apr 9 2021 02:08pm)
ppl itt acting like having a knee on your neck for 10mins is nothing

also them: https://youtu.be/dDoWY3B09_8?t=286


he should of acted dead tbh
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Apr 9 2021 02:13am
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Doing nothing and letting the problem completely spiral out of control is even better policy bravo sir!


Where did he advocate that though?
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Doing nothing and letting the problem completely spiral out of control is even better policy bravo sir!


fantastic point. we all know that countries with liberal drug laws, like the netherlands and portugal for example, are "completely out of control". bravo, sir!
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Quote (fender @ Apr 9 2021 10:25am)
fantastic point. we all know that countries with liberal drug laws, like the netherlands and portugal for example, are "completely out of control". bravo, sir!


So I asked google if you're correct

Portugal is being praised for decriminalizing drugs, are providing free needles and healthcare which masks the problem --> drug use and junkies are still there and many users relapse after treatment just like we see in all other countries.
In any case it's not a fair comparison because in the US a huge problem has been opioid pain medication prescribed in abundance by crooked "pain clinics" you might want to look that up ;)



Netherlands seems to be struggling with huge drug related problems, masses of synthetical drugs being illegally produced in that country, toxic waste dumped everywhere https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjba4n/mdma-producers-are-dumping-tons-of-waste-in-nature-reserves

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Substances such as MDMA, LSD, amphetamines, and GHB are being transported around the globe, and an estimated 18.8 billion euros ($20.75 billion) worth of ecstasy pills are being produced in Amsterdam yearly. The market is not only big, but it moves quickly as well. On the day Donald Trump was elected president in 2016, orange “Trumpies” ecstasy tablets were found on the streets and 24 hours later they were being sold in Australia. Drugs are becoming harder, profit margins are getting larger, and a new generation of drug crime lords are taking over.



Netherlands narco state https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3e8b3/belgium-netherlands-cocaine-trafficking-narcostate

Torture chambers WTF? This shit for real???
Lawyer shot dead???
Italian and Moroccan mafia infiltrating society???

You seem to have no fucking clue what you're talking about , I think as usual you're so quick to smear others that you forget to look into the shit caused by your beloved lefty liberal policies, well bravo sir lots of applause for you.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Apr 9 2021 10:13am)
Where did he advocate that though?


Democrat cities do


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Quote (Djunior @ 9 Apr 2021 11:45)
So I asked google if you're correct

Portugal is being praised for decriminalizing drugs, are providing free needles and healthcare which masks the problem --> drug use and junkies are still there and many users relapse after treatment just like we see in all other countries.
In any case it's not a fair comparison because in the US a huge problem has been opioid pain medication prescribed in abundance by crooked "pain clinics" you might want to look that up ;)



Netherlands seems to be struggling with huge drug related problems, masses of synthetical drugs being illegally produced in that country, toxic waste dumped everywhere https://www.vice.com/en/article/wjba4n/mdma-producers-are-dumping-tons-of-waste-in-nature-reserves




Netherlands narco state https://www.vice.com/en/article/z3e8b3/belgium-netherlands-cocaine-trafficking-narcostate

Torture chambers WTF? This shit for real???
Lawyer shot dead???
Italian and Moroccan mafia infiltrating society???

You seem to have no fucking clue what you're talking about ^fender, I think as usual you're so quick to smear others that you forget to look into the shit caused by your beloved lefty liberal policies, well bravo sir lots of applause for you.


so what you're telling me is that providing healthcare and needles, ADDRESSING (not 'masking' you idiot, no one says countries with liberal drug policies have no addicted people, that's you strawmanning, i'm saying their solutions are superior) the problem is somehow worse than having ALL the downsides: significant drug related crime, a massive prison population of non-violent offenders (a main reason behind the fatherless homes that right wingers pretend to care about so much when they act like that's just part of 'black culture'), and the unaddressed health and addiction problems on top of it?

to be fair, i should have remembered who i'm talking to and given you the crayon version: those countries still aren't perfect, they still have drug related crime and social issues, and their overall superior approach has some intrinsic downsides - but looking at the big picture, only a madman would come to the conclusion that the war on drugs, the criminalisation of addiction and even recreational use, is the way to go.
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Apr 9 2021 04:40am
"healthcare and needles" LOL
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