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May 5 2022 11:55am
Quote (Norlander @ 6 May 2022 01:15)
And when you're not that poor and developing they you are an exotic country despite their country may be as well "exotic" to you.


And when you are successful and closing up to them and possibly having a ridiculous chance of upending their economical primacy, you will start becoming a world wide threat that has to be subjugated or destroyed.
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May 5 2022 12:00pm
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 5 2022 01:04pm)
I am quite sure you have read this before in regards to Sri Lanka

https://island.lk/sri-lanka-in-lee-kuan-yews-words/


I have, I've been reading on him during this week after he was first mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread. I do wish we had more politicians like him out west.
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I have, I've been reading on him during this week after he was first mentioned somewhere earlier in this thread. I do wish we had more politicians like him out west.


Highly unlikely, definitely not in the USA even if he was white. The establishment and corporate would have vilify and end his career in an instant.

The article was a good read ya ?

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back to ukraine, i remember this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

"The Chinese government rejects any labels of "invasion" or "annexation" and maintains that Tibet had always been a part of China. "

With this you can invade entire continents

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from what i am learning, the singapore model appears suited to singapore. ultimately the singapore government is responsible and not a dictatorship (as one america described it). in other countries where the government may not be as benign to its people (say, russia, china) it is too easy for the singapore model to be abused (i.e. to curtail or outright ban certain media narratives if they refuse to abide by certain rules).


Agreed 100%
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back to ukraine, i remember this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Tibet_by_the_People%27s_Republic_of_China

"The Chinese government rejects any labels of "invasion" or "annexation" and maintains that Tibet had always been a part of China. "

With this you can invade entire continents


Well he who conquers rules ....
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May 5 2022 11:13pm
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If you consider Western Europe as one monolithic entity, sure... And imo Russia would still be interested in that.
The reality is more akin to the weight of Russia in such an alliance being comparable to Germany... It would be a union dominated by German-Russian relations, and the rest of the nations are in more subservient position.

I don't think Russia would be interested in that, but okay. Who would definitely not be interested in an Euro-Russian alliance dominated by German-Russian relations is France. ^^
The French love the EU as a vehicle for their political and foreign policy influence (with Germany paying for it), just as the German industry loves the EU as a vehicle to economically dominate the continent and and open up new sales markets. Adding another heavyweight to this mix would make the whole union a lot more unstable and complicated than it already is anyway.


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Not just security guarantees... security integration. I am talking joint arms industry ventures, the whole nine yards...

So, granting the Russian side access to our military technology and basing our militaries on Russian tech, so that our ability to fight hinges on Russian supplies?
Doesn't sound like a smart idea if you ask me.

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In the cold war Europe's economy and security were both integrated with US.
Now there is a discrepancy between economic dependence and security.
Isn't the goal of security is safeguard the prosperity of the economy? The situation now is anomalous.
Sadly when push came to shove, the Germans decided to have a brainfart by joining the bandwagon of demonizing and segregating from Russia... But I don't think this will last too long no matter the ripple waves of the current conflict in Ukraine.

I don't really see why integration with Russia should be preferable to integration with the US. The US have the stronger and more modern military and they have the stronger and more diversified economy. The only things Russia has to offer are oil, gas and empty land, the latter of which is uninteresting these days; we're no longer thirsting for Lebensraum. ;)
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May 5 2022 11:18pm
Quote (ferdia @ 5 May 2022 19:42)
from what i am learning, the singapore model appears suited to singapore. ultimately the singapore government is responsible and not a dictatorship (as one america described it). in other countries where the government may not be as benign to its people (say, russia, china) it is too easy for the singapore model to be abused (i.e. to curtail or outright ban certain media narratives if they refuse to abide by certain rules).


Imho, Singapore is the textbook example for a benevolent dictatorship. Or, if you don't want to call it a dictatorship, it could also be described as an "AuthCenterRight technocracy" (and a very competent one at that).
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May 6 2022 12:06am
Meanwhile, on Russian TV:
https://twitter.com/norpadon/status/1521642114152554496

"Many Americans, Europeans and Ukrainians grew up with gay porn."

:rofl:

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https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/5/israel-says-putin-apologised-over-his-fms-holocaust-remarks

Putin apologizing to Israel for Lawrow's outrageous comments mean that the Russians are still interested in maintaining their traditionally good relationship with Israel and cooperating with them in Syria. Putin apologizing in this way was signalling weakness and a loss of control, so that's something he definitely hated doing. It shows that the Russian leaders have not completely lost their minds and are still planning for a normal and long-term future, in spite of all the saber-rattling and flirting with nuclear war that has come out of Russia lately.


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https://tass.com/world/1447277?utm_source=google.com&utm_medium=organic&utm_campaign=google.com&utm_referrer=google.com

Belarus president and close Putin ally Lukashenko publicly slamming the use of nuclear weapons as unacceptable is remarkable. It's a public display of insubordination by a man whose grip on power is tenuous and wholly dependent on Russia's backing. This is a somewhat gutsy move and yet another indicator that the Russian nuclear threats are just a bluff. And after the refusal of the Belarus military to join the war efforts in Ukraine, it is another indicator that public opinion in Belarus is clearly against this war.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 6 2022 09:06am)

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/5/israel-says-putin-apologised-over-his-fms-holocaust-remarks

Putin apologizing to Israel for Lawrow's outrageous comments mean that the Russians are still interested in maintaining their traditionally good relationship with Israel and cooperating with them in Syria. Putin apologizing in this way was signalling weakness and a loss of control, so that's something he definitely hated doing. It shows that the Russian leaders have not completely lost their minds and are still planning for a normal and long-term future, in spite of all the saber-rattling and flirting with nuclear war that has come out of Russia lately.
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uh, apologizing means both weakness AND being sane & measured at the same time ?

the fuck is that double think ?
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