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hey buddy, can you explain to us why is Germany shutting down? lel
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Nov 18 2021 07:19pm
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I'm not boostered yet because I'm young and healthy and therefore low on the priority list. Also, I only got my second dose in late July so I'm not even eligible yet.


To your second question: first, a fresh vaccination does provide very strong protection against transmission for the first couple of months. By getting jabbed, you're taking yourself mostly out of the transmission chains for crucial months.
Second, it is true that in terms of the statistical risk of going to the ICU and clogging up limited resources in the healthcare system, the vaccination or the booster of young folks doesn't contribute all that much. Your risk of ending up on a ventilator is indeed miniscule. But it's not zero and even miniscule risk adds up when we aggregate it over tens of millions of cases.


Let's say you are young and healthy with good immune. You are exposed to covid infected carrier. You catch it but you quickly recover and build anti bodies. Basically almost no risk to yourself.
So then people are still saying it's protecting the community. Like I don't understand how that will help me or the community to get a jab?
It's like saying oh you are good and healthy here take this anyway
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Nov 18 2021 07:21pm
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Let's say you are young and healthy with good immune. You are exposed to covid infected carrier. You catch it but you quickly recover and build anti bodies. Basically almost no risk to yourself.
So then people are still saying it's protecting the community. Like I don't understand how that will help me or the community to get a jab?
It's like saying oh you are good and healthy here take this anyway


get the jab so it wreaks your immune system so you can be fukd up like ev1 else

then your dependent on big farma to save you

This post was edited by TiStuff on Nov 18 2021 07:22pm
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Let's say you are young and healthy with good immune. You are exposed to covid infected carrier. You catch it but you quickly recover and build anti bodies. Basically almost no risk to yourself.
So then people are still saying it's protecting the community. Like I don't understand how that will help me or the community to get a jab?
It's like saying oh you are good and healthy here take this anyway


Chances are high that you will have an asymptomatic course of the disease and not even realize you are infectious. In this case, the probability that you spread it is a lot higher if you're unvaxxed than if you had a (sufficiently fresh) vaccination.

There is also no guarantee that you don't end up being one of the rare cases of young, healthy people ending in the ICU. By getting the vax, this risk is cut by another order of magnitude. On an individual level, that's irrelevant, your risk of hospitalization might go down from 0.1% (unvaxxed) to 0.01% with the vax, but when this gamble is taken by tens of millions of people (say 50 million), then these super rare events would still add up to 50k patients without the vax, but only 5k with it.

The point is that we never know beforehand which patient will be "good and healthy" if he catches covid. On an individual level, e.g. personal risk assessment ("can I afford to go to this concert"), it makes perfect sense to say "yup, I'm young and healthy, I'm good to go". But that's irrelevant from an epidemiological point of view - statistically, out of a concert of 30k, around 3 will end up in the hospital in spite of being young and healthy, and when you add this up over all sorts of social activity across the entire country every single day, these numbers add up quickly and the reduction achieved by the vaccines becomes relevant.

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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 18 2021 05:31pm)
Chances are high that you will have an asymptomatic course of the disease and not even realize you are infectious. In this case, the probability that you spread it is a lot higher if you're unvaxxed than if you had a (sufficiently fresh) vaccination.

There is also no guarantee that you don't end up being one of the rare cases of young, healthy people ending in the ICU. By getting the vax, this risk is cut by another order of magnitude. On an individual level, that's irrelevant, your risk of hospitalization might go down from 0.1% (unvaxxed) to 0.01% with the vax, but when this gamble is taken by tens of millions of people (say 50 million), then these super rare events would still add up to 50k patients without the vax, but only 5k with it.

The point is that we never know beforehand which patient will be "good and healthy" if he catches covid. On an individual level, e.g. personal risk assessment ("can I afford to go to this concert"), it makes perfect sense to say "yup, I'm young and healthy, I'm good to go". But that's irrelevant from an epidemiological point of view - statistically, out of a concert of 30k, around 3 will end up in the hospital in spite of being young and healthy, and when you add this up over all sorts of social activity across the entire country every single day, these numbers add up quickly and the reduction achieved by the vaccines becomes relevant.


its not a "vaccine" its a shit shot................poison

pfizer is a criminal organization dr fraudi is a criminal from way back and bill gates is a super freak that used to hang out with the dude that didnk kill himself
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 19 2021 02:31pm)
Chances are high that you will have an asymptomatic course of the disease and not even realize you are infectious. In this case, the probability that you spread it is a lot higher if you're unvaxxed than if you had a (sufficiently fresh) vaccination.

There is also no guarantee that you don't end up being one of the rare cases of young, healthy people ending in the ICU. By getting the vax, this risk is cut by another order of magnitude. On an individual level, that's irrelevant, your risk of hospitalization might go down from 0.1% (unvaxxed) to 0.01% with the vax, but when this gamble is taken by tens of millions of people (say 50 million), then these super rare events would still add up to 50k patients without the vax, but only 5k with it.

The point is that we never know beforehand which patient will be "good and healthy" if he catches covid. On an individual level, e.g. personal risk assessment ("can I afford to go to this concert"), it makes perfect sense to say "yup, I'm young and healthy, I'm good to go". But that's irrelevant from an epidemiological point of view - statistically, out of a concert of 30k, around 3 will end up in the hospital in spite of being young and healthy, and when you add this up over all sorts of social activity across the entire country every single day, these numbers add up quickly and the reduction achieved by the vaccines becomes relevant.


So essentially you reduce the risk of spread and boost your own chances.
Ok so vaccine are like crutches that everyone is mandated to wear even if you are healthy. And you help others by not spreading and overloading ICU with unhealthy (or at least slowing down the inevitable) because you can't really hide from covid.
Did that sum it up?
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So essentially you reduce the risk of spread and boost your own chances.
Ok so vaccine are like crutches that everyone is mandated to wear even if you are healthy. And you help others by not spreading and overloading ICU with unhealthy (or at least slowing down the inevitable) because you can't really hide from covid.
Did that sum it up?


ICU where never loaded up even before the shit shot
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Nov 18 2021 08:55pm
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So essentially you reduce the risk of spread and boost your own chances.
Ok so vaccine are like crutches that everyone is mandated to wear even if you are healthy. And you help others by not spreading and overloading ICU with unhealthy (or at least slowing down the inevitable) because you can't really hide from covid.
Did that sum it up?


I this a better analogy are seatbelts - you almost never need them, but when you do, they are literal life safers. And just like the safest driver in the world cannot rule out a traffic accident, the young and healthy cannot 100% rule out a severe sickness when they get infected. And yes, the vast majority of them will be fine when they get infected, just like the vast majority of those driving without a seatbelt will be fine.


But yeah, the more important argument is the reduced rate of transmission (at least for those with a sufficiently fresh vaccination). As a young person, it's the easiest way to cut down on your contribution to the overall spread of the disease without having to change your behavior/limit your contacts.
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Nov 18 2021 06:55pm)
I this a better analogy are seatbelts - you almost never need them, but when you do, they are literal life safers. And just like the safest driver in the world cannot rule out a traffic accident, the young and healthy cannot 100% rule out a severe sickness when they get infected. And yes, the vast majority of them will be fine when they get infected, just like the vast majority of those driving without a seatbelt will be fine.


But yeah, the more important argument is the reduced rate of transmission (at least for those with a sufficiently fresh vaccination). As a young person, it's the easiest way to cut down on your contribution to the overall spread of the disease without having to change your behavior/limit your contacts.


i would rather run real world numbers than make up some kind of feel good analogy. done this quite a while back. its easy to see the fraud if one just does the research.

COVID CRISIS???
4.46 million world wide in 20 months
records show "covid" was here as early as dec 2019
that would be two hundred twenty-three thousand per month
world population 7.9 billion
two hundred twenty-three thousand/7.9 billion
=
0.00002822784 or 0.002822784% round up to 0.003% of the population per month

thats your covid crisis by their numbers which have been inflated. this we know they are liars.

4million just isnt that big of a number considering 7.9 billion

they count on the people not considering the actual population

"they"?
published book
july 2020 klaus schawb covid and the great reset
covid is just a tool

we are all being played

This post was edited by TiStuff on Nov 18 2021 09:04pm
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Quote (TiStuff @ Nov 18 2021 09:04pm)
i would rather run real world numbers than make up some kind of feel good analogy. done this quite a while back. its easy to see the fraud if one just does the research.

COVID CRISIS???
4.46 million world wide in 20 months
records show "covid" was here as early as dec 2019
that would be two hundred twenty-three thousand per month
world population 7.9 billion
two hundred twenty-three thousand/7.9 billion
=
0.00002822784 or 0.002822784% round up to 0.003% of the population per month

thats your covid crisis by their numbers which have been inflated. this we know they are liars.

4million just isnt that big of a number considering 7.9 billion

they count on the people not considering the actual population

"they"?
published book
july 2020 klaus schawb covid and the great reset
covid is just a tool

we are all being played


There's a reason nobody throughout history has complied their way out of tyranny.
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