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May 3 2022 08:07pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 4 May 2022 03:54)
Kirill and Francis aren't really comparable to begin with. Kirill has always been a state asset, that has never been in doubt and didn't just start with Ukraine. He's not a pope, he doesn't wield a divine mandate in his church, his views aren't dogma. For francis to start antagonizing the eastern orthodox church and criticizing them publicly, let alone with insults, is an unwarranted regression of the thawing of the ancient east-west schism. Its like the pope is embracing cancel culture and deciding that if you disagree with someone politically, you can't sit down at a table with them and heal the old wounds of the world in the name of global peace and harmony. So for all Francis's preaching about humbling himself and washing the feet of refugees and loving thy enemy and turning the other cheek, here he is refusing to break bread with the eastern church and spitting on their primarch. For fuck's sake Francis, atheists shouldn't make better christians than the pope.


How exactly will it heal old wounds of the world or promote global peace and harmony when a religious leader very publicly supports and validates a ruthless president's war of aggression?

Halting the thawing process over very justified, substantive disagreements is perfectly justified if you ask me. Ending the east-west schism is not an end in itself, it's supposed to be the result of sorting out old disagreements and grudges and then realizing that there is nothing left that divides both sides. Rapprochement clearly makes no sense when there's significant disagreements on present-day issues.
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May 3 2022 08:16pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 3 2022 10:07pm)
How exactly will it heal old wounds of the world or promote global peace and harmony when a religious leader very publicly supports and validates a ruthless president's war of aggression?

Halting the thawing process over very justified, substantive disagreements is perfectly justified if you ask me. Ending the east-west schism is not an end in itself, it's supposed to be the result of sorting out old disagreements and grudges and then realizing that there is nothing left that divides both sides. Rapprochement clearly makes no sense when there's significant disagreements on present-day issues.


The pope speaking out against the war is one thing, something that's acceptable and expected, but there's really no need to single out other religious leaders and point figures. Besides Kirill is a national religious figure, in Russia, not arising to international notoriety and authority something that Francis enjoys.
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May 3 2022 08:18pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 4 May 2022 09:54)
Kirill and Francis aren't really comparable to begin with. Kirill has always been a state asset, that has never been in doubt and didn't just start with Ukraine. He's not a pope, he doesn't wield a divine mandate in his church, his views aren't dogma. For francis to start antagonizing the eastern orthodox church and criticizing them publicly, let alone with insults, is an unwarranted regression of the thawing of the ancient east-west schism. Its like the pope is embracing cancel culture and deciding that if you disagree with someone politically, you can't sit down at a table with them and heal the old wounds of the world in the name of global peace and harmony. So for all Francis's preaching about humbling himself and washing the feet of refugees and loving thy enemy and turning the other cheek, here he is refusing to break bread with the eastern church and spitting on their primarch. For fuck's sake Francis, atheists shouldn't make better christians than the pope.


I was disappointed with the Church. Grew up in a Christian family, was a worship and cell group leader.
Left the Church officially at the ripe old age of 27.

Now I am a Buddhist sort of.

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May 3 2022 08:19pm
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I was disappointed with the Church. Grew up in a Christian family, was a worship and cell group leader.
Left the Church officially at the ripe old age of 27.

Now I am a Buddhist sort of.


well I was impressed with Francis and thought he was doing a bang-up job until now. He's been a great reformer and steering the church in a necessary new direction and cleaning up some of the ancient baggage. He needs to be called out when he takes a step backwards like this.
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May 3 2022 08:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 4 May 2022 10:19)
well I was impressed with Francis and thought he was doing a bang-up job until now. He's been a great reformer and steering the church in a necessary new direction and cleaning up some of the ancient baggage. He needs to be called out when he takes a step backwards like this.


I am going to say something that is going to be very controversial
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Well I did divinity in A levels in Singapore, I have been going to Church for the longest time.
I honestly believe that if we do believe that the bible is an infallible dogma.

Alot of the current "woke" culture and same sex marriages wouldn't be suitable ......
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May 3 2022 08:28pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 3 2022 09:07pm)
How exactly will it heal old wounds of the world or promote global peace and harmony when a religious leader very publicly supports and validates a ruthless president's war of aggression?

Halting the thawing process over very justified, substantive disagreements is perfectly justified if you ask me. Ending the east-west schism is not an end in itself, it's supposed to be the result of sorting out old disagreements and grudges and then realizing that there is nothing left that divides both sides. Rapprochement clearly makes no sense when there's significant disagreements on present-day issues.


I look to pragmatic political leaders to serve their people's self-interest and tend to material needs and win conflicts. I expect spiritual leaders to take the lead in thawing tensions, overcoming old grudges and putting aside disagreements. At least those who purport to follow that one hippy jesus guy who said turn the other cheek and render unto caesar. A politician could have a reason, even if its misguided, to antagonize Russia and its spiritual leaders and stoke the conflict. A pope should not. A pope should lead by example in being the first to bury the hatchet, not swing it into the patriarch's skull. When the geopolitical world is putting up a new iron curtain and cutting off communications and expelling diplomats and trying its hardest to enflame a proxy war, the pope should be the one trying to build a bridge over that divide. If he's going to pass moral judgment on the other side, label them aggressors, refuse to talk to them, call them out in a one-sided manner, well, that's not very christian of him
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May 3 2022 09:08pm
Goom simping for the Russian Orthodox Church is hilarious.
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May 3 2022 09:17pm
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Goom simping for the Russian Orthodox Church is hilarious.


I’m a Protestant so I don’t think I can care less for either of these religious leaders but it’s not really useful to Christianity to call the other leaders out like this. If Protestant preachers at high levels started calling out the Pope or the Catholic Church on their child molesting problem, is that useful or serve a purpose for Christianity? The world already does a good enough job to shame and judge these wrongs, we as Protestants don’t need to shit sling. Kingdom divided and all.
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Quote (ofthevoid @ May 3 2022 08:17pm)
I’m a Protestant so I don’t think I can care less for either of these religious leaders but it’s not really useful to Christianity to call the other leaders out like this. If Protestant preachers at high levels started calling out the Pope or the Catholic Church on their child molesting problem, is that useful or serve a purpose for Christianity? The world already does a good enough job to shame and judge these wrongs, we as Protestants don’t need to shit sling. Kingdom divided and all.


except for when Hannity and crew do it right?
Then its fair criticism. LOL, you might be right Tucker/Hannity probably more know about faith than the pope(s)
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May 3 2022 09:27pm
Quote (theCrossbones @ May 3 2022 11:22pm)
except for when Hannity and crew do it right?
Then its fair criticism. LOL, you might be right Tucker/Hannity probably more know about faith than the pope(s)



Wtf are you even talking about?
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