Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 4 May 2022 03:19)

150 years ago...

The Great Famine may havepartially been caused by an intense drought resulting in crop failure in the Deccan Plateau.It was part of a larger pattern of drought and crop failure across India, China, South America and parts of Africa caused by an interplay between a strong El Niño and an active Indian Ocean Dipole that led to between19 and 50 million deaths. The regular export of grain by the colonial government continued; during the famine, the viceroy, Lord Robert Bulwer-Lytton, oversaw the export to England of a record 6.4 million hundredweight (320,000 tons) of wheat, which made the region more vulnerable.

So we can't know exactly : holomodor is 3.3–3.9 million so it's very possible you lose it.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 3 May 2022 19:21)

You want to put a timing on that ?
So let me know what timing should we play around with Holomodor is close to a 100 years back .

And do you consider Germany a country in the West?

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 4 May 2022 03:25)

I suspect west never did worse than holomordor
/e oh and no, i changed colors while reading. Such a tragic event, 19-50 millions is pretty big. Still not more than Purges, but pretty big.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 3 May 2022 22:18)

An interesting example, props for that.

Still, I am talking about the modern, US-led West, not the colonial era. Also note that the Holodomor killed some 3-5 million Ukrainians at a time when the country's population was 31 million while the Great Famine of India killed some 5-10 million Indians at a time when the country's population was around 240 million. Simply put, the Holodomor was a far more severe and deadly famine than India's in 1876.




Russia is the official successor of the USSR according to international law. And since the USSR was dominated by Russia, the legal and moral burden for its crimes also fall onto Russia.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 3 May 2022 19:32)

No at the end of the day, I wish people don't come up telling me that of We are Saints and the West are Saints and the proponents for everything is right and what makes the World ticks.
It is not as simple as that.

And I also mention. As much as you might disagree with me , this is not a war between the West and Russia.
The more I dive into it the more I look into it , and if I may with my own words and my own analysis, it is Anglo Saxon versus Ruskis .

Quote (Norlander @ 3 May 2022 19:34)

Since you just admitted that it was USSR then you have to dig a bit deeper.
Here you go my uneducated adept of international law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

Quote (Norlander @ 3 May 2022 21:34)

Since you just admitted that it was USSR then you have to dig a bit deeper.
Here you go my uneducated adept of international law.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_famine_of_1921%E2%80%931922
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allied_intervention_in_the_Russian_Civil_War

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 4 May 2022 03:38)

Maybe it's time to leave the past behind and to move forward ? (to freedom ofc)



You forgot that Russia invaded Ukraine in middle ages already. Guilty.

:lol:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 4 May 2022 03:42)

To sum up your silly argument:

"The decisions made in the Kremlin prior to 1991 have no bearing on the decisions made in the Kremlin today. The traditions, values, ideology and worldview espoused by Soviet leaders became meaningless the second the name of the country was changed from 'USSR' to 'Russia'. This past does not influence present-day decision-makers in the Kremlin whatsoever because these are two totally different countries."

:rofl:

Quote (Black XistenZ @ May 3 2022 02:42pm)

To sum up your silly argument:

"The decisions made in the Kremlin prior to 1991 have no bearing on the decisions made in the Kremlin today. The traditions, values, ideology and worldview espoused by Soviet leaders became meaningless the second the name of the country was changed from 'USSR' to 'Russia'. This past does not influence present-day decision-makers in the Kremlin whatsoever because these are two totally different countries."

:rofl: