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May 3 2022 09:38am
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 3 2022 07:34am)
Visually confirmed by whom?


Open source intelligence.
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May 3 2022 09:42am
Quote (Santara @ 3 May 2022 15:38)
Open source intelligence.


It's free and the content must be shared
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May 3 2022 09:44am
Quote (Santara @ May 3 2022 11:38am)
Open source intelligence.



And then you look a little deeper who the open source intelligence is and it’s basically Bellingcat and friends who are not impartial objective observers. Believe whatever you want though, tbh what’s spammed on the internet has little to no effect on what’s actually happening on the ground.

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May 3 2022 09:45am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 3 May 2022 23:34)
It's impossible to accept Ukraine annexion here, you know that ?
If you want to discuss about chinese or russian zillions deaths because of Purges, well i'm not in the mood today.

Ukraine is a victim for Geo political dominance between two petty and disgusting Super Powers


Hm this is false, we had much worse divisions to deal with in the past.


Yes, i agree, but after the break up of the Soviet Union , Russia is no longer viewed as an expansionist force.
As of today, from what we see, apart from her Nuclear Arsenal , Russian's conventional forces have revealed how incompetent they are.

In regards to Europe. France have left Nato in 1966 which I think was a very pragmatic choice, sad that they rejoined in 2009.
In pure honesty , you guys should have stuck with the Pleven Plan.

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May 3 2022 10:07am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 3 May 2022 15:45)
Yes, i agree, but after the break up of the Soviet Union , Russia is no longer viewed as an expansionist force.
As of today, from what we see, apart from her Nuclear Arsenal , Russian's conventional forces have revealed how incompetent they are.

In regards to Europe. France have left Nato in 1966 which I think was a very pragmatic choice, sad that they rejoined in 2009.
In pure honesty , you guys should have stuck with the Pleven Plan.


Ukraine is not the victim you are painting, they tried hard to get rid of vampiric russian regime, they had no other choice than involving NATO. They are saying it themselves.
This agression really consolidated EU and will increase its military independance in the future. Past history is not a perfect reference. In 1966 drones, sattelite surveillance, web 2.0-3.0, and alot of things were simply not existing.
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May 3 2022 10:35am
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 3 2022 10:44am)
And then you look a little deeper who the open source intelligence is and it’s basically Bellingcat and friends who are not impartial objective observers. Believe whatever you want though, tbh what’s spammed on the internet has little to no effect on what’s actually happening on the ground.


I don't consider this as a valid criticism. The whole thing about open source intelligence is that it can be independently verified.
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May 3 2022 10:38am
Quote (Santara @ May 3 2022 12:35pm)
I don't consider this as a valid criticism. The whole thing about open source intelligence is that it can be independently verified.



What does open source intelligence say about Ukrainian army casualties or losses? Because that’s something I can’t find any information on, meanwhile max pain Russian losses are broadcast daily across the MSM.
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May 3 2022 11:17am
Quote (Ironfister @ 3 May 2022 16:00)
Russia was only trying to be peaceful for like several years somewhere from 1990 until Putin came to power and started genocide in Chechenya.
Give me another country that is that bad.


Any which has at least 200 years history.
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May 3 2022 11:20am
Quote (Ironfister @ 3 May 2022 14:50)
According to the available data, Russia had 4k tanks in service.
1k is not a half of it.
And Russia has a lot of old tanks in their reserves, probably another 4k or more in reserves somewhere in garages.
We dont know how many of these are ready to go battle, its all question marks.



Ukraine worked 8years on their fortificafions in Donbas, and you expect to fortify in few days?
Fortified and cut of supplies? Cut of ammo, petrol, food, waiting for Ukraine to shoot and bite them from all the sides?
Not a good military plan, lol.


2400 and this is not only the tanks used in Ukraine, it's all tanks at service
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