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May 3 2022 07:00am
Quote (Norlander @ 3 May 2022 11:05)
Only young countries have no expansionist past. I can't find any 500 years old one which hasn't started a war, on the contrary they participate in many. It's human nature, no country is unique.


Russia was only trying to be peaceful for like several years somewhere from 1990 until Putin came to power and started genocide in Chechenya.
Give me another country that is that bad.
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May 3 2022 07:11am
Quote (ofthevoid @ May 3 2022 12:50pm)
Really? Source you posted isn’t that. Reason I ask is because right now there is no objective counting. Russia will undercount Ukraine will overcount and possibly even use their own destroyed tanks in the count considering they also use old Soviet hardware the Russians use. It’s all about controlling the narrative so I’m deeply skeptical of any claims.


Taking a picture is good evidence, regardless of who took it, it's not like a claim from an unnamed source where it's integral to the claim's validity. There are military experts who can immediately see what a DNR tank model is versus a Ukrainian one or a Russian one, if there are errors in allocating losses this gets picked up quickly by the military history nerds on twitter

The bias is more likely to be that Ukrainian forces are less likely to take pictures of their own losses and post them online, in many cases its civilians taking the photos of destroyed equipment and the military showing what has been captured

Basically, you can trust the Russian figures on the blog as a lower bound of Russian equipment losses, and the same for Ukraine, which is documented here in the exact same way: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html
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May 3 2022 07:15am
also, nothing on TV but we have this headline on our state broadcasting website: "Russia does 'not have a weapon' that could wipe out UK, Ireland"

This is of course, untrue, noting Russia has any number of nuclear missiles that could and would wipe out the UK & Ireland. Its small comfort that the UK would send retaliatory missiles in response.

This post was edited by ferdia on May 3 2022 07:15am
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Taking a picture is good evidence, regardless of who took it, it's not like a claim from an unnamed source where it's integral to the claim's validity. There are military experts who can immediately see what a DNR tank model is versus a Ukrainian one or a Russian one, if there are errors in allocating losses this gets picked up quickly by the military history nerds on twitter

The bias is more likely to be that Ukrainian forces are less likely to take pictures of their own losses and post them online, in many cases its civilians taking the photos of destroyed equipment and the military showing what has been captured

Basically, you can trust the Russian figures on the blog as a lower bound of Russian equipment losses, and the same for Ukraine, which is documented here in the exact same way: https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-ukrainian.html


Both sides are using T-72 tanks for example. No, some random on Twitter can’t tell from a pic who the destroyed tank belongs to and we already know both sides are claiming various types of military victories which can be questioned.

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Both sides are using T-72 tanks. No, some random on Twitter can’t tell from a pic who the tank belongs to and we already know both sides are claiming various types of military victories which can be questioned.


They are, but insignia and markings are usually present to avoid friendly fire, which helps identification
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May 3 2022 08:50am

Biden sound like an condescending asshole in this video.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4842887/user-clip-1998-biden-chastises-weapons-inspector-ritter

In 1998, the former UN Weapons Inspector Scott Ritter testified to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee following Ritter's resignation after years of frustration in Iraq. In Biden's time after his opening statement, Biden chastised Ritter that the decision to go to war was above his "pay grade." While open to the idea of removing Saddam, Biden said the President and Cabinet Secretaries and people in "limos" get to make that decision, not a Weapons Inspector
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May 3 2022 08:54am

Honestly this asshole shouldn't be a President. :lol:

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Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 3 May 2022 14:54)
Honestly this asshole shouldn't be a President. :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quTxPFbCEVk


The last seconds were awesome, he's the man who will crush all infidels who refuse freedom.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 3 May 2022 23:02)
The last seconds were awesome, he's the man who will crush all infidels who refuse freedom.


Like how these infidels crush the other infidels for screwing up their country and their "muslim brothers and sisters " ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack

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May 3 2022 09:10am
Quote (Hamsterbaby @ May 3 2022 03:54pm)
Honestly this asshole shouldn't be a President. :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quTxPFbCEVk


Posts like this and the one above will detract some users from your other posts. its safer to state that you would express concerns with the content of the video. it is quite easy to pull video's on every leader of every country where they messed up to put forward such an argument. Using knee jerk media to create a reaction (say atrocities in Ukraine, or speeches or references to well documented terrorist activities) only gets the blood boiling and is usually counter productive.

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