Quote (Thor123422 @ May 29 2020 12:24pm)

Gonna save this one for the future where you ever complain about surveillance

Quote (Skinned @ May 29 2020 12:41pm)

^^

Quote (Goomshill @ May 29 2020 12:21pm)

Virtually all murder charges that come without being arrested at the scene come weeks later after coroners reports, after extensive interviews and forensics and only when the case is actually coherent and ready. There was a guy just a few blocks away who murdered his girlfriend years ago. He was not arrested for 4 weeks, then he went to trial and was convicted and sent away for a long long time. Due process means treating everyone the same. And unless you're arrested at the scene by responding officers who judge a crime to obviously have been committed, arrests aren't prompt, nor should they be. They haven't even announced Floyd's cause of death yet, and from Freeman's press conference it sure sounds like the state doesn't even know if Floyd died of homicide or overdose or natural causes. They don't know to what degree being restrained contributed to his death. That's information that obviously hinges the difference between whether it should be prosecuted for murder or not, and Freeman all but admitted he rushed charges before they were ready simply to appease a mob.
There's no justice in a mob

Quote (thundercock @ May 29 2020 02:24pm)

He's a cop so he's treated differently by definition. If I did that as a citizen and it was on video, I'd be in jail quite quickly.

Quote (thundercock @ May 29 2020 02:24pm)

He's a cop so he's treated differently by definition. If I did that as a citizen and it was on video, I'd be in jail quite quickly.

Quote (Goomshill @ May 29 2020 02:32pm)

except you wouldn't. That's not how it works. Murderapolis sees many murders committed on camera each year thanks to facebook being so popular with black gang members, and they don't get instantly arrested. In fact they usually take months to get arrested and even those convicted of murder have this magical ability to be out on the street again in a couple years. How many stories have I read about murders or shootings or car chases these past few years where they talk about the guy already suspected or pending charges in other felonies or murders, or the guy with 9 felony convictions and 60 misdemeanors?

the criminal justice system here is anything but swift and draconian, and random crimes by gang members tend to get treated much less harshly and expeditiously than politically charged crimes.

Quote (thesnipa @ May 29 2020 12:31pm)

yes cops are given special treatment.

ive seen too many people stating this as if its a surprise, OR as if its based entirely in cops covering shit up. there are many fair and logical reasons cops get different treatment. just as a simple example if the 7-11 gets robbed while ur getting a slurpie u dont get fired or in trouble, u walk home with a free slurpie.

Quote (Goomshill @ May 29 2020 12:32pm)

except you wouldn't. That's not how it works. Murderapolis sees many murders committed on camera each year thanks to facebook being so popular with black gang members, and they don't get instantly arrested. In fact they usually take months to get arrested and even those convicted of murder have this magical ability to be out on the street again in a couple years. How many stories have I read about murders or shootings or car chases these past few years where they talk about the guy already suspected or pending charges in other felonies or murders, or the guy with 9 felony convictions and 60 misdemeanors?

the criminal justice system here is anything but swift and draconian, and random crimes by gang members tend to get treated much less harshly and expeditiously than politically charged crimes.

Quote (RedFromWinter @ May 29 2020 02:38pm)

Isn't it reasonable that the justice system can move faster with all the video evidence available due to mass availability of cell phone cameras. Not to mention the tax payer funded body cams? Edit; That was one of the major outcomes I was hoping for.

Quote (thundercock @ May 29 2020 02:38pm)

I don't doubt this. Gooms was saying that this cop was getting less due process than civilians which is just laughable.

Well, I certainly don't want to test it out on myself. I can't speak about the Minneapolis justice system and if you were referring to that specifically, you should have said so. I was pointing out that in America, if you're caught on video killing someone, you'll almost certainly be arrested and charged within 72 (edit) hours. Cops have special privileges like snipa said and it's laughable that you think that this cop is getting worse treatment than civilians do in the general case.

Quote (thundercock @ May 29 2020 02:38pm)

I don't doubt this. Gooms was saying that this cop was getting less due process than civilians which is just laughable.



Well, I certainly don't want to test it out on myself. I can't speak about the Minneapolis justice system and if you were referring to that specifically, you should have said so. I was pointing out that in America, if you're caught on video killing someone, you'll almost certainly be arrested and charged within 48 hours. Cops have special privileges like snipa said and it's laughable that you think that this cop is getting worse treatment than civilians do in the general case.

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The Hennepin County Medical Examiner (ME) conducted Mr. Floyd’s autopsy on May 26, 2020. The full report of the ME is pending but the ME has made the following preliminary findings. The autopsy revealed no physical findings that support a diagnosis of traumatic asphyxia or strangulation. Mr. Floyd had underlying health conditions including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease. The combined effects of Mr. Floyd being restrained by the police, his underlying health conditions and any potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.

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Mr. Floyd did not voluntarily get in the car and struggled with the officers by intentionally falling down, saying he was not going in the car, and refusing to stand still. Mr. Floyd is over six feet tall and weighs more than 200 pounds. While standing outside the car, Mr. Floyd began saying and repeating that he could not breathe. The defendant went to the passenger side and tried to get Mr. Floyd into the car from that side and Lane and Kueng assisted.