Quote (bogie160 @ 2 May 2022 09:13)

The United States makes hard choices, it has a lot of responsibility. But if we're comparing degrees, it seems far more preferable to strong-arm the Solomon Islands into making the right decision than it would be to violently subjugate a more prosperous, democratic state. To that end, China won't even grace foreign nations with recognition unless they recognize China's right to violently subjugate a more prosperous, socially healthy state. Talk about intruding on the sovereignty of others.

Quote (bogie160 @ 2 May 2022 09:13)

The United States makes hard choices, it has a lot of responsibility. But if we're comparing degrees, it seems far more preferable to strong-arm the Solomon Islands into making the right decision than it would be to violently subjugate a more prosperous, democratic state. To that end, China won't even grace foreign nations with recognition unless they recognize China's right to violently subjugate a more prosperous, socially healthy state. Talk about intruding on the sovereignty of others.

Quote (Skinned @ 2 May 2022 09:22)

Is someone comparing Solomon Islands to Taiwan?

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 2 May 2022 01:19)

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Are you trying to condescend our ethnicity by telling us that you know better?
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When the Indians have a 4.5k to 5k years of continuous uninterrupted culture building
And the Chinese have around 3.5k to 5k years of continuous uninterrupted culture building
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I don't know... you tell me. :lol:

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 2 May 2022 09:29)

Start with peasants alphabetization date. You can count since the time they have democracy running, so you know your "score".
No way, i clearly asked WHY these giant lockdowns are happening, and WHY Chinese government was keep doing them (next one is Beijing ? Wtf)
Here the press wrote several times that was "Because China want to show that its (non democratic) model is working better".
As simple as that, maybe you have another answer, maybe it's the party that doesnt want to lose its face in front of its own people, maybe it's low or bad vaccin/vaccination quality/rate
Oh wait... Maybe it's all that together.

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 2 May 2022 09:29)

Start with peasants alphabetization date. You can count since the time they have democracy running, so you know your "score".
No way, i clearly asked WHY these giant lockdowns are happening, and WHY Chinese government was keep doing them (next one is Beijing ? Wtf)
Here the press wrote several times that was "Because China want to show that its (non democratic) model is working better".
As simple as that, maybe you have another answer, maybe it's the party that doesnt want to lose its face in front of its own people, maybe it's low or bad vaccin/vaccination quality/rate
Oh wait... Maybe it's all that together.

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 2 May 2022 01:44)

Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 2 May 2022 10:05)

Yeah so i guess my assements on why-lockdowns-oncities were probably all part of the truth.
Then ok, i understand the distress that China has not this 60-70% of "hightly educated" required to settle a decent democracy.
Btw we start to have the problem even in europe due inequalities increase ( because of modern populism) and it's even stronger in eastern europe.

Now i am not convinced that china will ever have a democracy, even if 70% of population start to be hightly educated (because of modern authoritarianism (the one with social credit and cameras everywhere...)

Quote (Hamsterbaby @ 2 May 2022 02:11)

Because they haven't completely solved the poverty problem.
The Guinness book of records have said that China brought 700 million people out of poverty since 1980s.

Let me put it this way, I think the number is inflated and I put it at around 300 to 350 million at best.
But even at that number , it is still damn impressive, its like the entire population of the United States . :o

Those in major Tier 1 or 2 cities have access to Western Media and books , but even then Mandarin is the main form of communication, spoken , written.
LONG STORY SHORT....it is exactly like Taiwan.

If you are talking about Modern Authoritarianism , I am from Singapore, we are a Nanny State like China and we have scores of Ivy League , Oxbridge Scholars, i have loads of friends from INSEAD .
And we do have our own "Social Credit" system in the past.