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Oct 9 2019 03:28pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 9 2019 12:41pm)
This just tells us you follow sensationalist headlines which don't represent the consensus opinion of experts.

And what most people mean by "Russia hacked the election" is the fact that they hacked the DNC and hacked various election-related sites, and had the capacity to change voter info in Illinois(and possibly elsewhere).




...and this "hacking" was done on who's watch???

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Oct 9 2019 05:33pm
Quote (IgoSoHard @ Oct 9 2019 05:12pm)
“Russia hacked the election” is a valid statement.

“Russia hacked the election” & caused Trump to win / Hillary to lose is not a valid statement.

They “hacked” the election in the context you listed, while also
having no real impact on the results, despite what claims
I see you & others make


I don't think any honest person can claim they had no impact.

The most obvious example is the release of DNC emails poisoned Bernie Sanders supporters right before the convention. You can argue that it's good bias or wrongdoing was exposed, but you can't simultaneously argue that it had no impact in November.

That's the important part of the Russian interference. I don't think Facebook/Twitter nonsense had much of an impact. Which is why Trump supporters who want to minimize the Russian interference only focus on that. For example:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-facebook-ads.html
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Oct 9 2019 05:37pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 10 2019 10:33am)
I don't think any honest person can claim they had no impact.

The most obvious example is the release of DNC emails poisoned Bernie Sanders supporters right before the convention. You can argue that it's good bias or wrongdoing was exposed, but you can't simultaneously argue that it had no impact in November.

That's the important part of the Russian interference. I don't think Facebook/Twitter nonsense had much of an impact. Which is why Trump supporters who want to minimize the Russian interference only focus on that. For example:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-facebook-ads.html


Bernie bro's abandoned hillary in droves and there was millions of them.
How many votes would have caused a hillary win?
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Oct 9 2019 06:02pm
Quote (IceMage @ Oct 9 2019 06:33pm)
I don't think any honest person can claim they had no impact.

The most obvious example is the release of DNC emails poisoned Bernie Sanders supporters right before the convention. You can argue that it's good bias or wrongdoing was exposed, but you can't simultaneously argue that it had no impact in November.

That's the important part of the Russian interference. I don't think Facebook/Twitter nonsense had much of an impact. Which is why Trump supporters who want to minimize the Russian interference only focus on that. For example:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/23/us/politics/jared-kushner-facebook-ads.html


And its a valid argument over whether its good bias or wrongdoing was exposed.
Have you seen any conversation in the media whenever the Russian meddling is brought up over the two crucial points about 1) Its morally ambiguous who really bears responsibility when they exposed wrongdoing by Hillary and 2) Putin was responding tit-for-tat to similar provocation by Hillary in 2011? The only time I've seen it brought up was in a 2016 PBS documentary before the election. Since then it was all about muh collusion and mueller and obstruction and so on, because lets be real, no liberals ever actually gave a shit about Russia to begin with ('member the reset button?), they only cared about Trump and only concerned themselves with what tools could be used to damage Trump.

Because that brings us to 3) that the monsters due on maple street could never do as much damage as we do to ourselves
Russia used a few hackers to spearphish emails and publish them. So what? I'd argue that we have everyday occurrences that are far more serious, with lives lost or money on the line. Not information about scandals. There's good reason to minimize what Russia did- it has weakened us both internally and externally as Americans have spent 3 years fighting each other and demonizing Russia instead of fighting our actual geopolitical threat, China. The fact that 1 million people can be living in concentration camps- actual concentration camps, not comfy detention facilities- and the political discourse just turns a blind eye to it and focus on Russian boogeymen who released emails and Ukrainians who are investigating Hunter Biden.

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Oct 9 2019 06:16pm
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Bernie bro's abandoned hillary in droves and there was millions of them.
How many votes would have caused a hillary win?


Funny how racist they (Bernie bros) got when the blacks largely stuck with the family that had been helping them for decades.
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Oct 9 2019 06:17pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 10 2019 11:02am)
And its a valid argument over whether its good bias or wrongdoing was exposed.
Have you seen any conversation in the media whenever the Russian meddling is brought up over the two crucial points about 1) Its morally ambiguous who really bears responsibility when they exposed wrongdoing by Hillary and 2) Putin was responding tit-for-tat to similar provocation by Hillary in 2011? The only time I've seen it brought up was in a 2016 PBS documentary before the election. Since then it was all about muh collusion and mueller and obstruction and so on, because lets be real, no liberals ever actually gave a shit about Russia to begin with ('member the reset button?), they only cared about Trump and only concerned themselves with what tools could be used to damage Trump.

Because that brings us to 3) that the monsters due on maple street could never do as much damage as we do to ourselves
Russia used a few hackers to spearphish emails and publish them. So what? I'd argue that we have everyday occurrences that are far more serious, with lives lost or money on the line. Not information about scandals. There's good reason to minimize what Russia did- it has weakened us both internally and externally as Americans have spent 3 years fighting each other and demonizing Russia instead of fighting our actual geopolitical threat, China. The fact that 1 million people can be living in concentration camps- actual concentration camps, not comfy detention facilities- and the political discourse just turns a blind eye to it and focus on Russian boogeymen who released emails and Ukrainians who are investigating Hunter Biden.


Comfy detention centres?
Lol.
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Oct 9 2019 06:19pm
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Funny how racist they (Bernie bros) got when the blacks largely stuck with the family that had been helping them for decades.

helping? clinton (who was mentored by Sen Robert Byrd (D) who was in the kkk and filibustered the civil rights act and later on became the (D) ‘conscience of the senate) was largely behind the three strikes rule brought on by the “black superpredator” crime bill which permanently and disproportionately separated so many minority families

that’s not helping
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Oct 9 2019 06:20pm
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helping? clinton (who was mentored by Sen Robert Byrd (D) who was in the kkk and filibustered the civil rights act and later on became the (D) ‘conscience of the senate) was largely behind the three strikes rule brought on by the “black superpredator” crime bill which permanently and disproportionately separated so many minority families

that’s not helping


You must have smart phrases ready and waiting. Holy cow that was fast.
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Oct 9 2019 06:21pm
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You must have smart phrases ready and waiting. Holy cow that was fast.

truths flow freely
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truths flow freely


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