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Nov 10 2017 11:56am
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 10 2017 12:25pm)
What is your opinion on Hillary Clinton's wiped servers? Surely that isn't proof of anything, I mean, they're empty.


Same as above. Show me proof.

If Clinton/her staff wiped the servers - she should be held accountable
If Trump/Trump's aids lied about meetings etc, etc - they should be held accountable

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Sometimes the bad guys get away with crimes, unfortunately.
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Nov 10 2017 12:02pm
Quote (djman72 @ Nov 10 2017 11:56am)
Same as above. Show me proof.

If Clinton/her staff wiped the servers - she should be held accountable
If Trump/Trump's aids lied about meetings etc, etc - they should be held accountable

Innocent until proven guilty, right? Sometimes the bad guys get away with crimes, unfortunately.


wiping a server = failing to disclose a meeting

whatever was on the server = Trump campaign colluding with Russia

the false indignation of one side is as hypocritical as the other's. Both get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, then try to minimize the crimes to the smallest degree.

"oh we only wanted to meet with someone who explicitly stated that she had Russian govt contacts that could help us win with damaging information on HRC. But she didn't have it, and daddy was never told, and some people left, and oops we forgot to disclose it. and anyways she didnt have what she said she had, so its not as bad"

"oh what servers, do i wipe them with a cloth? i would never do that. oh they're empty? guess someone is guilty of some small evidence tampering charge and no one is guilty of treason, that would be bad."

there's enough proof out there to know HRC is a scumbag, there's enough out there to know the Trump campaigns dealings with Russia were at best an attempt to not remain above board. This cavalier and every changing use of "proof" and "collusion" is shameful. "still not proof" might be the dumbest thing one could say here while trying to remain credible and open minded.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Nov 10 2017 12:10pm
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Nov 10 2017 12:06pm
False or - Pivot - indignation, i love when they do that...
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Nov 10 2017 10:47pm
explanation for lies:

Trump had publicly denied that there had been any contact between his campaign and Russian officials, and Papadopoulos did not want to contradict the official line

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-adviser-claims-lied-fbi-loyalty-trump-source/story?id=51059088.

Basically trump said wrong thing (shocking) and papadopoulos tried to save it :rofl:


nice alert function on ABC news:

http://abcnews.go.com/alerts/russia?cid=clicksource_interests_embed

ABC news, is that a serious media ?
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Nov 10 2017 11:25pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 10 2017 02:02pm)
wiping a server = failing to disclose a meeting

whatever was on the server = Trump campaign colluding with Russia

the false indignation of one side is as hypocritical as the other's. Both get caught with their hands in the cookie jar, then try to minimize the crimes to the smallest degree.

"oh we only wanted to meet with someone who explicitly stated that she had Russian govt contacts that could help us win with damaging information on HRC. But she didn't have it, and daddy was never told, and some people left, and oops we forgot to disclose it. and anyways she didnt have what she said she had, so its not as bad"

"oh what servers, do i wipe them with a cloth? i would never do that. oh they're empty? guess someone is guilty of some small evidence tampering charge and no one is guilty of treason, that would be bad."

there's enough proof out there to know HRC is a scumbag, there's enough out there to know the Trump campaigns dealings with Russia were at best an attempt to not remain above board. This cavalier and every changing use of "proof" and "collusion" is shameful. "still not proof" might be the dumbest thing one could say here while trying to remain credible and open minded.




Oh that's rich. Maybe you should go into politics.


Wiping emails after being told by the FBI to provide them = Obstruction of justice

W/e was on the servers was proof that HILLARY was colluding with Russia.
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Nov 12 2017 12:41pm
Here we go : even more dangerous than collusion;
Ex-intelligence chiefs: Trump is being played by Putin and US is in 'peril'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/12/trump-putin-russia-intelligence-agencies

So, look like there's so many fake news on Russia those days.
Even that they interfered in Brexit elections...
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Nov 12 2017 01:32pm
most these stories that are floating around about trump for the last few years are opinion based articles...hence FAKE NEWS
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Nov 12 2017 07:39pm
Not only destroying presidency and foreign status/reputation, this guy want make great deals

http://www.businessinsider.fr/us/trump-russia-sanctions-2017-11/

Not sure the US lawmakers will be agree đź‘Ť
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Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence officer who compiled an explosive dossier of allegations of collusion between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin, believes it to 70% to 90% accurate, according to a new book on the covert Russian intervention in the 2016 US election.

The book, Collusion: How Russia Helped Donald Trump Win, by Guardian journalist Luke Harding, quotes Steele as telling friends that he believes his reports – based on sources cultivated over three decades of intelligence work – will be vindicated as the US special counsel investigation digs deeper into contacts between Trump, his associates and Moscow.

“I’ve been dealing with this country for thirty years. Why would I invent this stuff?” Steele is quoted as saying.

One of the reasons his dossier was taken seriously in Washington in 2016 was Steele’s reputation in the US for producing reliable reports on Russia, according to Harding’s book.

Between 2014 and 2016, he authored more than a hundred reports on Russia and Ukraine, which were commissioned by private clients but shared widely within the state department and passed across the desks of the secretary of state, John Kerry, and the assistant secretary Victoria Nuland, who led the US response to the annexation of Crimea and the covert invasion of eastern Ukraine.

The sources for those reports were the same as those quoted in the dossier on Trump
, which included allegations that the Kremlin had personally compromising material on the US president including sex tapes recorded during a trip to Moscow in 2013, and that Trump and his associates actively colluded with Russian intelligence to influence the election in his favour.

Years earlier, Steele shared the results of his investigation of the global football organisation, Fifa, with a senior FBI official in Rome that let to an investigation by US federal prosecutors, and ultimately the arrest of seven Fifa officials.

“The episode burnished Steele’s reputation inside the US intelligence community and the FBI. Here was a pro, a well-connected Brit, who understood Russian espionage and its subterranean tricks. Steele was regarded as credible,” Harding writes.

The book traces Steele’s career as an MI6 officer, sent to Moscow in 1990 under cover of working as the second secretary in the UK chancery division at the embassy.

While there, the young spy was witness to the 1991 attempted coup and looked on when Boris Yeltsin climbed on a tank in central Moscow to denounce the plotters.

Steele left Moscow in 1993 and was later posted to Paris before taking a senior post on MI6’s Russia desk in London in 2006. Because his name had been on a list of MI6 officers leaked and published in 1999, he was unable to return to Moscow. But he was chosen to lead the MI6 investigation of the assassination of former FSB officer, Alexander Litvinenko, by radioactive poisoning in 2006.

Steele left MI6 in 2009, to start up a commercial intelligence firm, Orbis, with a former colleague, Christopher Burrows. Soon after its founding, Orbis began working with Fusion GPS, a Washington-based company doing political and business research, which commissioned the investigation of Trump in 2016.

Steele delivered a total of 16 reports to Fusion between June and early November 2016, but his sources started to go quiet from July, when Trump’s ties to Russia came under scrutiny. According to Harding’s account, he was shocked by the extent of collusion his sources were reporting.

“For anyone who reads it, this is a life-changing experience,” Steele told friends.

Steele flew to Rome in June to brief his FBI contact with whom he had shared his Fifa report, and returned in September to meet a full FBI team of investigators. He described their response as “shock and horror”, and they asked him to explain his methods and to pass on future reports.

However, as the weeks went by leading up to the 8 November election, the FBI told him it could not go public with material involving a presidential candidate, and then his FBI contacts went silent altogether. Steele told a friend it was clear he had passed on a “radioactive hot potato”.


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/15/christopher-steele-trump-russia-dossier-accurate






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