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Apr 29 2022 07:13am
Quote (Ironfister @ 29 Apr 2022 16:02)
Nope.
Russians deports in first train of course soldiers, but also those, who they consider "dangerous" - teachers, people involved in politics or organizations, educated people, intelligence, people who dont welcome invaders with forced joy, those who know how to use arms etc.
But also ordinary people too, because why not eradicate the whole country and settle it with your own people?
We have already seen many images from Mariupol and other cities, where people were kidnapped.
Russia constantly needs workers in Syberia and other cold far areas, as nobody wants to go there willingly.
Plus they genocide Ukrainians.


Mariupol is a city in Donetsk oblast which is being taken back by its own citizens (Donetsk People's Militia).
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Apr 29 2022 07:18am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 29 Apr 2022 14:36)
Several European countries are already using the Gazprom scheme, idk what to tell you. It's a semantical point who does the exchanging.

Think about it in personal terms, if you go to the market and the seller says this costs 50 zloty, you can't turn around and say i'll pay you in hryvnia or korunas. That's not how it works. On a macro scale it's exactly the same thing, if you do a lot of trade with a country, it's your responsibility to get their currency to buy their stuff.


Markets here arent producers of złoty.
Contracts were in EUR, and we have even get rid of Russia currency in our Banks.
But well, if not this excuse they would use another.
Some people say that polish/bulgarian ban was a warning signal given to Germany to dont help Ukrainian people and stop trading with UA.
They know Germany is dependent on their gas, so they will be making secretly continued demands to a german government, sadly Germany is not an Independent country as of 2022.
They even let the Russians control their gas depots, which is the main reason they were emptied right before the war started.

But Germany will reclaim their independence in 2023 or 2024 so it aint as bad.
I only dont get it why Germany doesnt want to keep on using nuclear plants in the meantime.
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Apr 29 2022 07:22am
Quote (Norlander @ 29 Apr 2022 15:13)
Mariupol is a city in Donetsk oblast which is being taken back by its own citizens (Donetsk People's Militia).


Im done, enough of these lies for today.
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Apr 29 2022 07:23am
Quote (Ironfister @ 29 Apr 2022 16:02)
Nope.
Russians deports in first train of course soldiers, but also those, who they consider "dangerous" - teachers, people involved in politics or organizations, educated people, intelligence, people who dont welcome invaders with forced joy, those who know how to use arms etc.
But also ordinary people too, because why not eradicate the whole country and settle it with your own people?
We have already seen many images from Mariupol and other cities, where people were kidnapped.
Russia constantly needs workers in Syberia and other cold far areas, as nobody wants to go there willingly.
Plus they genocide Ukrainians.


So were your country settled by Russians? Not, I guess. Rivno, Lviv, Lutsk are territories of Ukraine now.
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Apr 29 2022 07:26am
Quote (Ironfister @ 29 Apr 2022 16:22)
Im done, enough of these lies for today.


Another one bites the dust. You are an easy target. If you bring here propaganda then don't be surprised to be answered the same way.
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Apr 29 2022 07:30am
Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 29 2022 09:18am)
Markets here arent producers of złoty.
Contracts were in EUR, and we have even get rid of Russia currency in our Banks.
But well, if not this excuse they would use another.
Some people say that polish/bulgarian ban was a warning signal given to Germany to dont help Ukrainian people and stop trading with UA.
They know Germany is dependent on their gas, so they will be making secretly continued demands to a german government, sadly Germany is not an Independent country as of 2022.
They even let the Russians control their gas depots, which is the main reason they were emptied right before the war started.

But Germany will reclaim their independence in 2023 or 2024 so it aint as bad.
I only dont get it why Germany doesnt want to keep on using nuclear plants in the meantime.


Once again, contracts are irrelevant when economic warfare is declared by one side, it's a natural consequence to expect the other side to put in place mechanisms to either fight back or protect their own currency. We can agree the Russian invasion is bad but it's pretty nonsensical to assume they'll just take the economic attacks laying down but then when they fight back you want to invoke the rule of law and contracts, lol.
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Apr 29 2022 08:07am
Quote (ofthevoid @ Apr 29 2022 03:30pm)
Once again, contracts are irrelevant when economic warfare is declared by one side, it's a natural consequence to expect the other side to put in place mechanisms to either fight back or protect their own currency. We can agree the Russian invasion is bad but it's pretty nonsensical to assume they'll just take the economic attacks laying down but then when they fight back you want to invoke the rule of law and contracts, lol.

Funny people, let me freeze all of your assets and pay you the money you can't access. Complain then they're breaching the contract.
What's not said is those companies have operational costs. Who is going to pay for those losses, credits and other costs from not being able to pay? But there is no contract breach from the west! :rofl:
Sanctions are contract breaches by government.

This post was edited by babun1024 on Apr 29 2022 08:26am
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Apr 29 2022 08:50am
Meanwhile dollar/euro to rouble is back to it's 2021 ratio meaning the faster you accept Gazprom scheme of paying the less you will pay in dollars/euros. Sanctions are double-edged.
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Apr 29 2022 09:38am
Quote (Norlander @ Apr 29 2022 10:50am)
Meanwhile dollar/euro to rouble is back to it's 2021 ratio meaning the faster you accept Gazprom scheme of paying the less you will pay in dollars/euros. Sanctions are double-edged.


You can't treat Euro and USD the same. There has been significant flight to safety to the USD. The fact that we're raising rates also bodes well for the dollar. The Euro though is getting stomped out. The Euro is at like 2018 ish levels trading against the Rouble. Year to date I think the Euro depreciated something like 10% versus the Rouble. Pre war it was like 1eur to 83-88 roubles, now i see it at 1/75.

That's why I brought it up earlier. The Europeans basically now have to spend 10% more in just the FX conversion to buy oil and gas from Russia.
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Apr 29 2022 09:46am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 29 Apr 2022 18:38)
You can't treat Euro and USD the same. There has been significant flight to safety to the USD. The fact that we're raising rates also bodes well for the dollar. The Euro though is getting stomped out. The Euro is at like 2018 ish levels trading against the Rouble. Year to date I think the Euro depreciated something like 10% versus the Rouble. Pre war it was like 1eur to 83-88 roubles, now i see it at 1/75.

That's why I brought it up earlier. The Europeans basically now have to spend 10% more in just the FX conversion to buy oil and gas from Russia.


Dollar/Rouble is about 1/71 while Euro/Rouble is about 1/75 so I can confirm that Euro have lost about 10% at least here and loses twice as much as dollar each day.
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