d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Russia / Ukraine
Prev17057067077087095001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Views: 383653Replies: 50000Track Topic
Member
Posts: 28,877
Joined: Aug 11 2013
Gold: 10,712.00
#7061
Apr 29 2022 06:03am
Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 29 2022 07:23am)
Contract was in EUR, gas payments were allowed and we wont accept any tricks!
Suddenly all of Europe can pay in EUR as normal, but PL cannot?
WTF is that?
About green energy, coal can be compensated by trees. And even Germany is still burning a lot of coal, the most dirty kind, unlike Poland.
Now because of Russia aggressive invasions and actions, we need to spend money on our army in Europe, not on green energy transition. Priorities. We cant transfer into green energy if conquered and enslaved by RU.
As Simple as that.
When you board a plane, the crew says you: "in the event of troubles, always put your own mask first, before helping others".
Europe cannot lead world green transformation if we get beaten by RU. Simple.


Contracts fly out the window in situations like this. 300b dollars in fx reserves were frozen by the west that belong to the Russian central bank. The whole point of setting up these accounts with Gazprom is to basically make sure the Russians actually get their money and it's not frozen once again. It's also a way to support the rouble.
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
#7062
Apr 29 2022 06:06am
Quote (Norlander @ 29 Apr 2022 11:50)
Why did he come there to Azov Stahl under the bombardment asking neo nazies to surrender and let the civilians go? Somebody here was posting each time Russians offered to surrender and free the civilians. It was like 8 times. Nazies know that none of them will survive a direct Iskander strike at Azov Stahl so these bastards are safe as long as meat shield exists.


It's false, russians continue to bomb the area, russians are deporting people to siberia, russia kill prisonners.
The only nazis here are russians, these крабс who voted for putin for 2 decades and аrе now drinking his poison propaganda.
I'm so glad 50 countries are helping ukraine military. The faster then war ends the better. Sanctions will conitnue either way.
Member
Posts: 39,671
Joined: Nov 16 2005
Gold: 13.37
#7063
Apr 29 2022 06:12am
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 29 Apr 2022 15:06)
It's false, russians continue to bomb the area, russians are deporting people to siberia, russia kill prisonners.
The only nazis here are russians, these крабс who voted for putin for 2 decades and аrе now drinking his poison propaganda.
I'm so glad 50 countries are helping ukraine military. The faster then war ends the better. Sanctions will conitnue either way.


It was the Ukrainians killing PoWs and filming it. No one is being deported to Siberia unless they have relatives there. And it's you soaking any bullshit propaganda you find in the internets. Try Reuters. They are not biased.
Here's some propaganda your stile: Poland is keeping refugees in concentration camps. Aushwitz-Birkenau is ready to handle 100k of them. It's furnaces require more coal and this is why Poland increases supply under the excuse of substitutioning gas and oil while gas is still needed for gas vans.

This post was edited by Norlander on Apr 29 2022 06:21am
Member
Posts: 16,411
Joined: Apr 9 2007
Gold: 12,059.17
#7064
Apr 29 2022 06:20am
Quote (Norlander @ 29 Apr 2022 13:50)
Why did he come there to Azov Stahl under the bombardment asking neo nazies to surrender and let the civilians go? Somebody here was posting each time Russians offered to surrender and free the civilians. It was like 8 times. Nazies know that none of them will survive a direct Iskander strike at Azov Stahl so these bastards are safe as long as meat shield exists.


My uncle knows about Russian "freedom". Was not a soldier. They catched him during ww2, took his Polish Id and sent him to some cold far away Russia arrea, to die there working hard.
I said to myself: never again we allow Russian invasion into Europe.
Member
Posts: 66,666
Joined: May 17 2005
Gold: 17,384.69
#7065
Apr 29 2022 06:23am
Quote (Norlander @ 29 Apr 2022 12:12)
It was the Ukrainians killing PoWs and filming it. No one is being deported to Siberia unless they have relatives there. And it's you soaking any bullshit propaganda you find in the internets. Try Reuters. They are not biased.



https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-plans-to-send-ukrainians-to-siberia-arctic-circle-report-2022-4
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1594938/Vladimir-Putin-Ukraine-deportation-russia-mariupol-arctic-siberia-kremlin

Lmk, which side is punishing for 15 year of prison if you criticize war decision ? This ends the debate regarding the word "propaganda".


Russia kills Radio Liberty journalist in missile attack on Kyiv (while UN secretary is visiting the city)
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russian-rockets-hit-kyiv-un-chief-visits-besieged-mariupol-main-target-2022-04-29/


Russian TV Hosts Discuss Nuclear Strikes on U.K, France, Germany
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/uekg07/russian_tv_hosts_discuss_nuclear_strikes_on_uk/

Member
Posts: 16,411
Joined: Apr 9 2007
Gold: 12,059.17
#7066
Apr 29 2022 06:28am
Quote (ofthevoid @ 29 Apr 2022 14:03)
Contracts fly out the window in situations like this. 300b dollars in fx reserves were frozen by the west that belong to the Russian central bank. The whole point of setting up these accounts with Gazprom is to basically make sure the Russians actually get their money and it's not frozen once again. It's also a way to support the rouble.


Why dont Russian simply exchange EUR in their National Bank as soon as they get them?
Its all about forcing west to ease or cancel their sanctions on Russia banking system and to humilate us, they will start making new demands if we accept it.
Member
Posts: 39,671
Joined: Nov 16 2005
Gold: 13.37
#7067
Apr 29 2022 06:30am
Quote (Ironfister @ 29 Apr 2022 15:20)
My uncle knows about Russian "freedom". Was not a soldier. They catched him during ww2, took his Polish Id and sent him to some cold far away Russia arrea, to die there working hard.
I said to myself: never again we allow Russian invasion into Europe.


Then I assume your grandpa was a nazi collaborator. There were many. Try watching Pianoman to refresh your memory about what they have done to Jews in Warsaw. It's an easier way for you to get some info since you are not into finding sources and fact-checking.

Here's a story for you.
-Grandpa, tell me about your war past
-Germans captured me and offered two options: being shot dead and being raped by a platoon.
-So what did they do?
-They shot me dead, my dear, they shot me dead.
Member
Posts: 39,671
Joined: Nov 16 2005
Gold: 13.37
#7068
Apr 29 2022 06:34am
Quote (Ironfister @ 29 Apr 2022 15:28)
Why dont Russian simply exchange EUR in their National Bank as soon as they get them?
Its all about forcing west to ease or cancel their sanctions on Russia banking system and to humilate us, they will start making new demands if we accept it.


Actually they asked your government to pay in euros to Gazprombank so they can exchange it to roubles. Your government refused this offer so now you're buying gas from Germany. It's not about me, it's not about you, it's not about my Ukrainian family and it's not about Gulag and your grandpa there. It's all about oil and gas since there are only three countries that have gas facilities larger than Germany. I name one. You name others. Ukraine.

This post was edited by Norlander on Apr 29 2022 06:37am
Member
Posts: 28,877
Joined: Aug 11 2013
Gold: 10,712.00
#7069
Apr 29 2022 06:36am
Quote (Ironfister @ Apr 29 2022 08:28am)
Why dont Russian simply exchange EUR in their National Bank as soon as they get them?
Its all about forcing west to ease or cancel their sanctions on Russia banking system and to humilate us, they will start making new demands if we accept it.


Several European countries are already using the Gazprom scheme, idk what to tell you. It's a semantical point who does the exchanging.

Think about it in personal terms, if you go to the market and the seller says this costs 50 zloty, you can't turn around and say i'll pay you in hryvnia or korunas. That's not how it works. On a macro scale it's exactly the same thing, if you do a lot of trade with a country, it's your responsibility to get their currency to buy their stuff.
Member
Posts: 16,411
Joined: Apr 9 2007
Gold: 12,059.17
#7070
Apr 29 2022 07:02am
Quote (Norlander @ 29 Apr 2022 14:30)
Then I assume your grandpa was a nazi collaborator. There were many. Try watching Pianoman to refresh your memory about what they have done to Jews in Warsaw. It's an easier way for you to get some info since you are not into finding sources and fact-checking.

Here's a story for you.
-Grandpa, tell me about your war past
-Germans captured me and offered two options: being shot dead and being raped by a platoon.
-So what did they do?
-They shot me dead, my dear, they shot me dead.


Nope.
Russians deports in first train of course soldiers, but also those, who they consider "dangerous" - teachers, people involved in politics or organizations, educated people, intelligence, people who dont welcome invaders with forced joy, those who know how to use arms etc.
But also ordinary people too, because why not eradicate the whole country and settle it with your own people?
We have already seen many images from Mariupol and other cities, where people were kidnapped.
Russia constantly needs workers in Syberia and other cold far areas, as nobody wants to go there willingly.
Plus they genocide Ukrainians.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev17057067077087095001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll

© 2003-2026 d2jsp  Contact