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May 20 2022 08:03pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 20 2022 04:28pm)
Please do list some of the relevant physical evidence I neglected to list, its all right here;
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6936176-Autopsy-2020-3700-Floyd.html

There were dozens of data points of evidence that it was an overdose, and dozens that it wasn't asphyxiation. What's the counterargument?
If we're to believe the prosecution's theory of the goldilocks scenario of lethal-force-without-a-mark, please explain to me how that theory is falsifiable and what evidence could be presented to contradict it.





You're right. I remember seeing what the first coroner said and subsequently went through, live at the time of these incidents.

But you'll never convince triggered folk that can't deal with reality.
Anything that happens that shatters their fantasy world, sends them into paroxysms of denial.

They're not woke... they're broke(n).




Or... There ya go again. Trying to confuse the issue with the facts. :)
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May 20 2022 08:16pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ May 20 2022 06:15pm)


What tears? Genuine question. I certainly had no maudlin words in that entire paragraph, where are you seeing tears?

Maybe you're just sub human reading comprehension? Let's see...

Website no get rid of bad words. So good thing so we can say more words.

Make sense now?
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May 20 2022 08:16pm
Quote (Santara @ May 20 2022 05:59pm)
The fentanyl in his system did not kill him. Not only did doctors testify to that effect, but it's also been noted that the ratio of fentanyl to norfentanyl (a byproduct of metabolized fentanyl) indicates that he was well past being high and coming down. The "lethal dose" is lethal... 50% of the time, meaning that just having a higher than "lethal dose" concentration of the drug does not mean it would automatically kill him. He was clearly well used to the drug.


For him to have that much metabolized fentanyl in his system after that many hours with that much unmetabolized left, from a dosing hours earlier, would require an astronomical initial dose. He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill an average person without 50 comorbidities, the idea that he could have 5x that much initially is just nonsense. Thats enough to kill an elephant. It would automatically kill him several times over. Nobody can build up that kind of resistance, let alone someone with deaths-door chronic hear disease, let alone someone who nearly died just months earlier to the same drugs

The only scenario consistent with his amount of both metabolized and unmetabolized fentanyl is that he had hours earlier been doing drugs and then consumed another large dose just minutes prior to his death. Which is exactly what is reflected by all the evidence at the scene. Hours of video and testimony showing him high as a kite that morning to the point of becoming unresponsive. Then when the cops showed up, he freaked out, and while cuffed and in the back seat of a squad car he spat up several partially digested fentanyl laced percocets. Which would be impossible except if he had swallowed the bag when he saw the cops. You can't spit up pills you swallowed hours earlier, digested and metabolized.

There's no other consistent explanation for that ratio of fentanyl:norfentanyl. All the prosecutors did was point out that most overdose deaths dont have such a ratio, which is a blatantly misleading and obviously deceptive argument: most overdose deaths don't involve people getting high hours apart after metabolizing drugs, they occur in one go. It says something about the prosecution that they were relying on bamboozling jurors, like the role of defense in a typical trial. All they had to do was sow doubt and they would convict.

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Quote (Goomshill @ May 20 2022 07:16pm)
For him to have that much metabolized fentanyl in his system after that many hours with that much unmetabolized left, from a dosing hours earlier, would require an astronomical initial dose. He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill an average person without 50 comorbidities, the idea that he could have 5x that much initially is just nonsense. Thats enough to kill an elephant. It would automatically kill him several times over.

The only scenario consistent with his amount of both metabolized and unmetabolized fentanyl is that he had hours earlier been doing drugs and then consumed another large dose just minutes prior to his death. Which is exactly what is reflected by all the evidence at the scene. Hours of video and testimony showing him high as a kite that morning to the point of becoming unresponsive. Then when the cops showed up, he freaked out, and while cuffed and in the back seat of a squad car he spat up several partially digested fentanyl laced percocets. Which would be impossible except if he had swallowed the bag when he saw the cops. You can't spit up pills you swallowed hours earlier, digested and metabolized.

There's no other consistent explanation for that ratio of fentanyl:norfentanyl. All the prosecutors did was point out that most overdose deaths dont have such a ratio, which is a blatantly misleading and obviously deceptive argument: most overdose deaths don't involve people getting high hours apart after metabolizing drugs, they occur in one go. It says something about the prosecution that they were relying on bamboozling jurors, like the role of defense in a typical trial. All they had to do was sow doubt and they would convict.


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May 20 2022 08:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ May 20 2022 07:16pm)
For him to have that much metabolized fentanyl in his system after that many hours with that much unmetabolized left, from a dosing hours earlier, would require an astronomical initial dose. He had enough fentanyl in his system to kill an average person without 50 comorbidities, the idea that he could have 5x that much initially is just nonsense. Thats enough to kill an elephant. It would automatically kill him several times over. Nobody can build up that kind of resistance, let alone someone with deaths-door chronic hear disease, let alone someone who nearly died just months earlier to the same drugs

The only scenario consistent with his amount of both metabolized and unmetabolized fentanyl is that he had hours earlier been doing drugs and then consumed another large dose just minutes prior to his death. Which is exactly what is reflected by all the evidence at the scene. Hours of video and testimony showing him high as a kite that morning to the point of becoming unresponsive. Then when the cops showed up, he freaked out, and while cuffed and in the back seat of a squad car he spat up several partially digested fentanyl laced percocets. Which would be impossible except if he had swallowed the bag when he saw the cops. You can't spit up pills you swallowed hours earlier, digested and metabolized.

There's no other consistent explanation for that ratio of fentanyl:norfentanyl. All the prosecutors did was point out that most overdose deaths dont have such a ratio, which is a blatantly misleading and obviously deceptive argument: most overdose deaths don't involve people getting high hours apart after metabolizing drugs, they occur in one go. It says something about the prosecution that they were relying on bamboozling jurors, like the role of defense in a typical trial. All they had to do was sow doubt and they would convict.


Why did Chauvin have to kneel on the throat of a dying man?
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Quote (Nibthebarb @ May 20 2022 09:16pm)
What tears? Genuine question. I certainly had no maudlin words in that entire paragraph, where are you seeing tears?

Maybe you're just sub human reading comprehension? Let's see...

Website no get rid of bad words. So good thing so we can say more words.

Make sense now?


A guy who has a history of posting violently racist bullshit gets 10%, and you latch onto "maybe the gaslighting leftists will get banned"? Boo fucking hoo, Linda.
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May 20 2022 08:28pm


Look ma... no fentanyl!









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Why did Chauvin have to kneel on the throat of a dying man?


Because he was 223 lbs, erratic and resisting and the police manual taught that a restraint with a knee to the upper back is a safer way to pin someone than other holds that are more dangerous. And a result of this crusade is police being forced to adopt less safe holds for better optics. The moral of the story should have started and ended with what he told onlookers- this is why you don't do drugs.
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Quote (Goomshill @ May 20 2022 07:34pm)
Because he was 223 lbs, erratic and resisting and the police manual taught that a restraint with a knee to the upper back is a safer way to pin someone than other holds that are more dangerous. And a result of this crusade is police being forced to adopt less safe holds for better optics. The moral of the story should have started and ended with what he told onlookers- this is why you don't do drugs.


Fentanyl is a an opioid that is 100 times stronger than morphine. Overdose symptoms include:


Low blood pressure
Drowsiness
Dizziness
Nausea and vomiting
Limp body
Changes in pupillary size
Cold and clammy skin
Blue colored lips and fingernails (cyanosis)
Slowed or stopped breathing
Decreased heart rate
Reduced or loss of consciousness
Coma

Which is why he was so fucking dangerous.

This supports my theory that Republicans think every drug is literally PCP.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on May 20 2022 08:43pm
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Quote (inkanddagger @ May 21 2022 02:20pm)
Why did Chauvin have to kneel on the throat of a dying man?


Cause there are crazies on drugs who knows what they can do. Officers safety was a concern aswell. He probably overdid it however.
Combination of scum of the earth who was drugged up to his tits and slightly longer knee press and the whole situation I say it's unfortunate accident. To make it about race and a national poster for some kind of inequality is straight up only hyper triggered snowflakes would come up with.

I would of given chauvin a time out and some retraining. I am sure he wouldn't repeat again. The pitchforks of these frosting at the mought blm and leftists is appauling

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