You are conflating two separate issues. Trump himself has done quite a bit to destroy public trust in the electoral process, but in doing so he has violated no laws. The rioters aren't responsible for declining trust in institutions, or unsubstantiated accusations of electoral fraud. They're responsible for breaking one or several laws while participating in a riot or otherwise trespassing on Capitol grounds. The question is whether they were trying to overthrow the government of the United States, an unimaginably serious offense, or whether it was a protest which tragically escalated into bouts of lawlessness. For the vast majority involved, the latter is clearly the case. If the government can, in a few select cases, prove the former, then those responsible should be punished accordingly.

I'm glad we agree it's just political bullshit labeling but you're defending it because you've heard it spammed on media long enough.

What I find most pathetic is how fearful the democrats are of Trump. It's incredible how many hyperbolic sky is falling scenarios/accusations were jammed into a short few years.

on this issue:

Democrats - not trying to fix the past, not trying to fix the future

Republicans - not trying to fix the past, not trying to fix the future

Libertarians - not trying to fix the past, trying to fix the future

i am nothing if not pragmatic. i'll take 50% of something over 100% of nothing with my vote, even if my vote amounts to nothing. i've voted in more of a scattershot that anyone else in pard is my guess, not including euros who come from places with more political parties than recognized genders in a gay bar.



people label others with charges that the law wont and cant touch all the time. a cop who shoots an unarmed man is a murderer regardless of what if any charge he receives, BLM are terrorists even if they're stealing TVs, etc.

try and join us here up in reality some day.

"but the law says" was goom's crutch, and he's gone. that type of Asperger's should die with him.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 28 2021 12:25pm

Fair enough. I can definitely agree that none of the major parties are willing to actually solve the issue. Democrats have the black vote locked up because Republicans court open racists, and Republicans can't fix the issue or they lose the South.

Response already given.

Trump was a patent danger to Democracy, and it's now coming out how he had to be talked down from trying to deploy the military against protesters and attempting a coup. I don't give a shit that Trump broke no laws on paper (even though he definitely did, as the Mueller report outlined clear obstruction of justice and the call with Ukraine was an obvious violation as well). He was a threat to Democracy, and remains so to this day, both through his incredible incompetence and his blatant corruption.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 28 2021 12:32pm

And we are responsible for validating those labels. We can pull up images of what a violent revolt looks like, or what 9/11 looked like, compare it against what happened on January 6th, and ask, "Does this make sense?".

the TDS is real

Whether or not Trump undermined trust in the electoral process, which he did, has nothing to do with whether or not what the protesters/rioters on January 6th did was an attempted overthrow of the government. I'm not sure how your response relates to my post.

It's worth mentioning, though, that I have seen no evidence that Trump at any point attempted to or seriously considered trying to launch a coup. When I google for that phrase, all I get is "...military feared" which is a non-story. Perhaps I'm looking in the wrong places, so I will wait for you to cite evidence equivalent to the seriousness of the claim.

I said he's a threat to Democracy, and that he was the inciting incident to the riots on the 6th. Trump actively undermined trust in the electoral process by fabricating his claims of electoral fraud, and inciting violence against those involved in the electoral process. The fact that the rioters came directly from his rally is testament to that. Whether you want to classify it as "an attempted overthrow of government" is immaterial. You're just using that so you can hide from the discussion. "Oh, it's not sedition, so I don't have to think about how the president actively undermined trust in institutions which culminated in an attack on the certification of the process coming directly from his rally".

Ask yourself real quick, let's assume I'm wrong and we don't have reports he was talked down from a coup. Do you think the top military commanders only fearing a coup attempt is something normal? Do you think that proves your point at all? Do you think it doesn't still totally support what I just said?

Be honest with yourself for once. Stop trying to hide behind technicalities and get real, and deal with the fact that you supported a person who did all the things he did.

This post was edited by NetflixAdaptationWidow on Jul 28 2021 12:48pm

you're strawmanning. i havent heard anyone say "this committee is needed because Jan 6th was as serious as 9-11". nor would that bar need be met to support the committee. 9-11 is just the more recent example to let people know these committees aren't unprecedented.

to be clear i dont care about the committee, i dont think it will solve anything, and its a waste of taxpayer funds. but that doesnt make calling people who came in with zipties to kidnap senators insurrectionists incorrect, or even hyperbolic, even if they dont get charged. and backchannel radio analysis has shown the militias most intent on actually fucking with the democratic process were the ones fanning the flames of the protest and leading a much larger group of mostly vanilla MAGA types in so they could use the crowd as cover.

putting that together we have actual insurrectionist leading a mob into the capital building to stop the voting in of the next president, and we have idiots taking issue with politicians using the word insurrection. because they're idiots.



lol

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jul 28 2021 01:01pm