Again, that's just because you are criticizing a specific idea that you have of communism (i.e. centrally planned). This is not a necessity, and in fact goes against the principles of communism.

Generally speaking, communism demands that everyone does the work to make themselves useful. This is no different from capitalism.

Both systems severely limit your freedom, because you'll only ever be useful in fields that actually need your work. And if you don't feel like working in those fields, you're out of luck. Again, no difference between capitalism and communism.

that user hates the United States. mainly due to our diversity and opportunity here which provides so many people to make a good lives for themselves.

he prefers a system with no diversity and 100% conformity and no opportunity, just go ‘work’ 12 hours for a piece of bread

This post was edited by excellence on Jul 11 2020 09:59am

no difference? how many hours you work? 40+ a week?
in good system you would work few hours a week. you would beg for more work if you got no hobbys..

I'm pretty sure none of these countries meet the definition of a true socialist country. These all probably have free markets and qualities of capitalism highly integrated into their system. They might have a few socialist policies. But to classify them as a true socialist state, I don't think that would be accurate.

This post was edited by GLYC123 on Jul 11 2020 10:06am

I'd say between 50 and 60 right now. I guess I could do more, but I'm one of those socialist freeloaders who'll do anything to be lazy.



That's very true. With the rate at which we produce wealth, we should be able to provide for everyone with just 30 hours per week, or even less. However, the world is controlled by capitalists, so this is obviously a very difficult change to make.

So what do you think should be done? im listening

In the USA? I think a lot can be achieved by making ties between press and political parties illegal, as well as lobbying. Democracy would make a shift towards the left through time, if press were a bit more neutral and politicians would listen to their voters instead of their investors.

Outside the USA, you can already see that most of the wealthy countries in the world have varying implementations of democratic socialism. Where I live, for instance, I hardly think that there's still a huge problem with capitalism.

This post was edited by Leevee on Jul 11 2020 10:12am

aight so who to choose? trump or biden?



so what if like all countrys become a democratic socialism and become all once like a communistic world order which is made to make countrys share and help with information as much they can?

Neither of those will solve this problem. They're both in the pocket of capitalists.



Eh, I'd hope that this does not lead to communism. If the world would become one big country, nationalism would cause civil wars to break it up again and we'd be taking several steps backwards. I don't think that that's a goal worth striving for.

This post was edited by Leevee on Jul 11 2020 10:36am

so why you guys vote for those?



as i said few times, im not striving for a system we already had.
Ofc nationalism should be staying alive like it is. I love the difference between all countrys, cultures and ppls. I know what youre "scared" of, me as german i want to keep my schweinebraten mit klös un rotkraut aswell, but i would not have a problem with a government which interact worldwide like it was the own country, healthsystems etc. Remove patent right and let all countrys have same rights to build best and economic way a system which is fair to humans.
There is no race anymore, ppl online now, few generations and ppl will laugh at us how we could be such racist..

This post was edited by Bananii on Jul 11 2020 11:00am