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Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 02:23am)
I'm not saying that your argument is necessarily less rounded or accurate in its entirety that exists in the ether. I'm talking about what's currently being presented in this thread, which is reflective of what's presented by people more generally.

Black Lives Matter forms its argument based off of:

1. The number of black people killed by police.
2. The circumstances surrounding the initial contact and conduct of police.
3. The lack of accountability and consequences.

When people present statistics on the number of white people killed by police, they are only starting on point 1, and then it ends. I'm asking you, and/or anyone else who feels that there's a compelling argument to be made, to present information that furthers the argument and matches the leg work done by Black Lives Matter that covers those additional areas.


Do you think a lack of police accountability is a one race only issue?
Are you under the impression that there is less accountability when cases are blown up into national issues if the victim is black, even in cases where he is guilty as all hell, vs totally ignored or suppressed if the victim is not?

It doesnt end at point 1. There are a number of relevent statistics that are incorporated. Violent crime rates. armed vs unarmed.

Steelmanning the very weak BLM narratives while strawmanning the common sense 'police abuse isnt just a black issue as lots of white people are killed too' argument doesn't sit well.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 5 2020 11:30pm)
Most of the lack of consequences happen due to jury trials though, so what do you suggest, lynchings?


Of course not. What a weird think to ask.
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Jun 6 2020 12:32am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 04:31pm)
Of course not. What a weird think to ask.


I am just saying, for example philandro castile, the officer was charged with manslaughter and found not guilty in a court of law with 12/12 jurors, two of whom were black finding in his favour.
So what do you suggest?
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Jun 6 2020 12:33am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 01:23am)
I'm not saying that your argument is necessarily less rounded or accurate in its entirety that exists in the ether. I'm talking about what's currently being presented in this thread, which is reflective of what's presented by people more generally.

Black Lives Matter forms its argument based off of:

1. The number of black people killed by police.
2. The circumstances surrounding the initial contact and conduct of police.
3. The lack of accountability and consequences.

When people present statistics on the number of white people killed by police, they are only starting on point 1, and then it ends. I'm asking you, and/or anyone else who feels that there's a compelling argument to be made, to present information that furthers the argument and matches the leg work done by Black Lives Matter that covers those additional areas.


Is 1 outweighed by 2 & 3?
Is 3 exclusive to cases where a black person is the victim?
If black 'thugs' kill more cops than they are killed by cops, do you reckon it influences 2?

This post was edited by WiziLiCe on Jun 6 2020 12:38am
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Jun 6 2020 12:35am
Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 5 2020 11:31pm)
Do you think a lack of police accountability is a one race only issue?
Are you under the impression that there is less accountability when cases are blown up into national issues if the victim is black, even in cases where he is guilty as all hell, vs totally ignored or suppressed if the victim is not?

It doesnt end at point 1. There are a number of relevent statistics that are incorporated. Violent crime rates. armed vs unarmed.

Steelmanning the very weak BLM narratives while strawmanning the common sense 'police abuse isnt just a black issue as lots of white people are killed too' argument doesn't sit well.


No, I don't think it's a race-only issue. I do think, however, that black people disproportionately experience a lack of accountability if/when they're killed by the police as compared to white people and that racism that is systemic within our society is a significantly contributing factor in this disparity.

I have no doubts that white people get murdered by the police only for nothing to happen. I do, however, doubt that the circumstances of their contact with police are equivalent to the experiences of black people and also doubt that their rates of unjustifiable death by the hands of police are met with an equivalent rate of injustice or lack of accountability as compared to black people.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Jun 6 2020 02:30am)
I guess if you could think about more than one variable at once you wouldnt be a libertarian


As usual, thor resorts to being a scumbag and taking unsubstantiated jabs at libertarians when he comes across facts and arguments he doesn't like.


The observation that leftists have a hard time breaking away from identity politics and media driven race narratives was a very apt one.
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Jun 5 2020 11:32pm)
I am just saying, for example philandro castile, the officer was charged with manslaughter and found not guilty in a court of law with 12/12 jurors, two of whom were black finding in his favour.
So what do you suggest?


The abolition of the police.
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Jun 6 2020 01:09am)
tbf there are way more deaths than 2 in 5 years.
The 2 violent criminals happen to be the face of the movement.


Awesome...
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Jun 6 2020 12:48am
Quote (Handcuffs @ Jun 6 2020 04:37pm)
The abolition of the police.


Ok then you have my support, ill grab some pop corn.
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Jun 6 2020 12:50am
If police are to be abolished, there needs to be a private replacement to punish commie terrorists and other violent criminals whom we are supposed to pretend were swell guys.

Local militias, Hoppe's Physical Removal Service and Ancap Security inc. are happy to step in and compete for the job.
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