Quote (fender @ Oct 10 2019 05:48am)

problem with that kindergarden logic of yours is that WE didn't fuck the middle east up in the first place. WE did not create ISIS, we did not topple regimes, wage war under false pretenses, and destabilise the whole region to secure digging rights for our companies (let me just pretend that your little lapdog UK has already left the EU) - WE only have to deal with the fallout from all of this, because YOU have an ocean and extremely selfish immigrant policies between the fruits of your corporate greed and your country. that's why WE care and want YOU to act with at least some semblance of decency and insight - but even that is too much to expect from the incompetent and corrupt morons you regularly elect as your leaders and representatives.

Quote (cambovenzi @ 10 Oct 2019 11:55)

Hes not talking about individuals.



It doesn't.



Meanwhile you are looking at a chopped up version in a hit piece that isolates the part about Normandy, and claiming its the dumbest thing.
Its a true and relevant point. He could have articulated it better, he is Trump, but its not particularly dumb or ignorant.

Meanwhile there is a NATO alliance with Turkey. The US should not be expected to defend the Kurds from members of NATO, and a few dozen troops are not in a position to do so anyways.



I consistently support antiwar non-interventionist stances and I defend the truth, not 'each and every one of his decisions and statements' as you lied about.
The fact that you are not mentally able to honestly accept that distinction is not a fault of my own.

I'm not some TDS cultist that opposes policies because Trump supports them and pretends anything he says is terrible when I am told by the leftist media to do so.
Opposing perpetual war and opposing putting american troops in excessive unnecessary danger doesn't become evil just because trump opposes it.

Quote (Ghot @ Oct 10 2019 12:15pm)

You ever heard of Rommel? I guess he's just a figment of my kindergarden logic as well. And that's just going back to the 1940's.
Europe has been fucking around in so many countries throughout history, that no one is even trying to keep track of it anymore.

Here's some facts...

1. The US has been helping other countries since pretty much the day it was born.
2. The US doesn't go into countries unless asked or for those rare occasions when WE get attacked.
3. The US is probably the ONLY country in the world that doesn't have an imperialistic bone in it's body.
4. I still remember all the protests when Trump won the election... the protests in the EU. Like it's any of your business who we elect.



With all this in mind, I personally still don't have any issues with the EU or with any country really. I'd just like to see other countries being at least somewhat realistic in their feelings about the US.

Quote (Ghot @ 10 Oct 2019 12:15)

You ever heard of Rommel? I guess he's just a figment of my kindergarden logic as well. And that's just going back to the 1940's.
Europe has been fucking around in so many countries throughout history, that no one is even trying to keep track of it anymore.

Here's some facts...

1. The US has been helping other countries since pretty much the day it was born.
2. The US doesn't go into countries unless asked or for those rare occasions when WE get attacked.
3. The US is probably the ONLY country in the world that doesn't have an imperialistic bone in it's body.
4. I still remember all the protests when Trump won the election... the protests in the EU. Like it's any of your business who we elect.



With all this in mind, I personally still don't have any issues with the EU or with any country really. I'd just like to see other countries being at least somewhat realistic in their feelings about the US.

Quote (fender @ Oct 10 2019 06:26am)

so much ignorance, it's mindblowing that someone as old as you has such a poor grasp on history.

- rommel's most famous campaign was in northern africa, he has nothing to do with the middle east. also, germany LOST the war and had nothing to do with redrawing borders in that region. rommel is completely irrelevant in this context.
- no one in persia asked the US to topple the mossadeqh regime to install a puppet in order to give them control over iran's oil.
- no one asked the US to invade iraq under false pretenses.
- as for your imperialism claim: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_imperialism

seriously, i don't think i've ever met anyone that ignorant about basic history, yet constantly making (ridiculous and laughable) demonstrably false claims all the time. read a damn history book, you ignorant old fool.

Quote (Ghot @ Oct 10 2019 12:50pm)

I know where Rommel was. I also know that the northern half of Africa in muslim... now.
Toppling the mossadeqh regime was done at the behest of the UK. And all this was AFTER the UK and Russia spent 60 years or so, fighting over Iran.
The Iraqi people, those being killed, tortured, and otherwise abused, asked for US help.
MY definition of Imperialism is not the same as yours. We were tossed out of Europe, then treated fairly badly, and fought like banshees, to deal with it. That was it. Unlike most of Europe and in fact, most of the rest of the world... we don't go around attacking other countries.

But don't let reality stop you from regurgitating the crap you obviously learned in school.

Quote (Ghot @ Oct 10 2019 06:15am)

You ever heard of Rommel? I guess he's just a figment of my kindergarden logic as well. And that's just going back to the 1940's.
Europe has been fucking around in so many countries throughout history, that no one is even trying to keep track of it anymore.

Here's some facts...

1. The US has been helping other countries since pretty much the day it was born.
2. The US doesn't go into countries unless asked or for those rare occasions when WE get attacked.
3. The US is probably the ONLY country in the world that doesn't have an imperialistic bone in it's body.
4. I still remember all the protests when Trump won the election... the protests in the EU. Like it's any of your business who we elect.



With all this in mind, I personally still don't have any issues with the EU or with any country really. I'd just like to see other countries being at least somewhat realistic in their feelings about the US.

Quote (Ghot @ 10 Oct 2019 12:50)

I know where Rommel was. I also know that the northern half of Africa in muslim... now.
Toppling the mossadeqh regime was done at the behest of the UK. And all this was AFTER the UK and Russia spent 60 years or so, fighting over Iran.
The Iraqi people, those being killed, tortured, and otherwise abused, asked for US help.
MY definition of Imperialism is not the same as yours. We were tossed out of Europe, then treated fairly badly, and fought like banshees, to deal with it. That was it. Unlike most of Europe and in fact, most of the rest of the world... we don't go around attacking other countries.

But don't let reality stop you from regurgitating the crap you obviously learned in school.